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Todd Shaner
Todd Shaner
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August 31, 2018
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P: Leica DNG Embedded Camera Profile Issue

  • August 31, 2018
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[Feature request: The Embedded profile is hidden in the Legacy group, which is hidden by default.  The profile, which is assigned by default when a Leica photo is imported, should be appear in Favorites and also in a profile group that isn't hidden by default. See here for details:
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/leica-m-262-dng-embedded-camera-profile-issue...
- John Ellis]

Leica M 262 DNG camera files display the 'Embedded' Profile when initially viewed in LR Classic 7.5 Develop module. When any other camera profile is selected the 'Embedded' Profile entry is no longer visible including in the Profile Browser. If 'Read Metadata from File' is invoked the 'Embedded' profile entry reappears and is selected. In addition if 'Save Metadata to File' or 'Update DNG Preview & Metadata' is invoked the 'Embedded' Profile selection disappears completely and is not recoverable using 'Read Metadata from File.'

LR 7.2 does not exhibit this behavior so it appears this "bug" was created in one of the LR Classic versions after 7.2. Please see this post in the Lightroom Classic forum for further information:

https://forums.adobe.com/message/10591309#10591309

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    johnrellis
    johnrellis
    Legend
    September 14, 2018
    Hmm, the drawbacks of this design are pretty obvious: The camera manufacturer's embedded profile, assigned when the photo is first imported, mysteriously disappears if you change the profile to something different. That embedded profile gets hidden in a group called "Legacy", which is also hidden by default.  This was so mysterious that the focused attention of four ACPs / MVPs / Champions couldn't find it. Pity the less-experienced user who trips over this.

    "Legacy" seems a poor group name for the default profile of a partner manufacturer's raw files (one of the few manufacturers to embrace DNG).  What's "legacy" about it?   So some design suggestions:

    - Add Embedded to Favorites by default.

    - Put the Embedded profile in a different group that's visible by default, not hidden, e.g. Adobe Raw (yes, it's not technically an Adobe-authored profile, but it comes from a close Adobe partner).


    Todd Shaner
    Todd ShanerAuthor
    Legend
    September 14, 2018
    Thanks Rikk! I've asked Ashkay the below question at the LR forum post.

    If you make the 'Embedded' profile a Favorite in the Profile Browser's Legacy folder will that associate correctly with new files that are added later and appear in the 'Profile' pull-down list?

    I tried it with two different Leica M model DNG files and it appears to work.
    Rikk Flohr_Photography
    Community Manager
    Rikk Flohr_PhotographyCommunity Manager
    Community Manager
    September 14, 2018
    Form Engineering - This is as-designed behavior - see Ashkay's notes in the forums link in the OP. 
    1. Go To Profile Browser.
    2. Click on the '+' drop down and select Manage Profiles.
    3. Select "Legacy" group -> Save
    4. In the profile browser, you will find a group called "Legacy"
    5. Open the Legacy group to find the "embedded" profile.

    Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
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    TheBilbo
    Known Participant
    September 10, 2018
    I've spent hours documenting and reporting these issues with LR 7.5: Adobe, the ball is in your court.
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    TheBilbo
    Known Participant
    September 10, 2018
    Did you see that I'm running OS X 10.13.6? And yes, the absence of Embedded profiles is now a known and reported issue, for both the M262 and M240.
    ssprengel
    ssprengel
    Inspiring
    September 10, 2018
    I'm on a PC and don't see what you're seeing happen.  I also don't see Embedded as a Camera Profile, either in LR 7.5 or ACR 10.5.
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    TheBilbo
    Known Participant
    September 9, 2018
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/sqfakeskfncozkn/L1002092.DNG?dl=0

    This DNG when viewed in LR 7.5 Develop Module shows a magenta wash when Fit is selected in Navigator
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    TheBilbo
    Known Participant
    September 9, 2018
    This is a different DNG, but it shows the same color shift—but be aware it is sporadic, it may not show the aberrant behavior each time it is viewed in the Develop module. Just import it, and do not invoke any actions:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/sqfakeskfncozkn/L1002092.DNG?dl=0

    ssprengel
    ssprengel
    Inspiring
    September 9, 2018
    Can you provide the DNG?  Upload to somewhere like dropbox, googledrive, onedrive, and post a public share link to it, here.
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    TheBilbo
    Known Participant
    September 9, 2018
    Yes, what Benjamin Gordon reported above is exactly what I reported some weeks ago, as below:

    I am experiencing sporadic self-activating color shifts to Leica M 262 .DNG images in the Develop Module of LR 7.5. I am running OS X High Sierra 10.13.6 on a MacBook Pro with graphics processor acceleration disabled. The camera has the latest firmware. This doesn't occur with all images, but seemingly at random, and without any user input. In the Library Module, the images appear normally.  I experienced this phenomenon for the first time when I upgraded to LR 7.3.1, but prior to that, using LR 7.2 and 7.3, it did not occur. At first, opening the image in the Develop Module, the color appears as it should, see screen shot below:

     


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    However, after a few seconds, the color shifts, without my having entered any command or pressing any key, as in the screen shot below:


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