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Inspiring
August 24, 2020
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P: preset backup restore

  • August 24, 2020
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Since so many people have difficulties installing, finding, deleting or simply managing their presets, lete alone moving them from one machine to another, why not add a backup/restore for presets to LR? I could fairly easily be added to the catalog backups. If a separate function, the resulting zip file could be passworded with something based on the user ID to prevent piracy.

Henk

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Inspiring
August 24, 2020
I absolutely love your stance towards people using Lightroom. Adobe makes a product for photographers, not for IT specialists. Backups are not properly implemented. A once a week "catalog backup" on the same drive as the original is no backup at all. ACR has the possibility to export presets as a zip, so why not Lightroom?
Adobe provides a DAM system with an incomplete backup system. At least with an incomplete instruction on how to create a valid backup. On the same drive? Come on! And yet, many people take this as being safe and secure, until they have a real problem. A simple right-click to export all presets as .zip is too much to ask for? If you were to give me ONE dollar every time I have to tell people that they have no backup, despite of what Lightroom tells them, I'd be driving a Mercedes.
Adding a simple solution to a very real problem is what this forum is about. I see that suggesting a simple solution is met with ridicule by people that "know better". I am not asking here for myself (I think I already stated that). I am asking for people that don't know any better until they are in trouble.
This ends my discussion of this idea, do with it whatever you want.
TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
August 24, 2020
That still remains a big issue.
No it isn't an issue, it is a fact. IF and when you backup any data, it's backed up. 

You or others may not know how to back up data, that's the core problem here. 
A big, very big problem is losing data and not having a backup. 

Some people simply can't operate a computer or back up their data; I get that. 
Some people simply can't operate a car and shouldn't crash. 

Backing up computers is computing 101, if you think it takes an IT manager, I have to suspect you're not backing up your computer. 

On some OSs, it takes place AUTOMATICALLY, in the bkgnd, without any knowledge. Some don't have a Mac OS. 
It isn't Adobe's job nor should it be, to provide backup solutions for users. Yet in a very limited way, they do (Backup Catalog). It's IMHO lame and limited because the facts are, users should back up any and everything they can't afford to lose. My images being backed up are far more valuable than my presets. But everything, and I mean everything on my Mac and its associated drives IS backed up to multiple drives and the cloud. Which is why I don't lose my data. 
This is for the "normal" people who handle a camera but know nothing about OS or drives or backups.
I have no idea what "normal" people are or mean. I know there are people who don't have a clue about computing or driving or using sharp objects and as such, they shouldn't OR they should learn how. 

There is really no excuse for ignorance. It isn't Adobe's job to address ignorant customers. 
Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
Inspiring
August 24, 2020
"If a user knows how to backup all their data, their presets are backed up!"

That still remains a big issue. Backups are not intuitive, by default are done on the same drive as the originals, simply not acceptable. On top of that, "store with catalog" is NOT by default. Most people using LR are not savvy about computers, they are people with cameras.

Is it too much to ask for a clear "Backup ALL my stuff to a safe place"? Without sending them to become IT specialists in the process? A process that would fail to begin with...?

I am not looking for this for myself, my system is up-to-date and secure with backups and all my stuff. This is for the "normal" people who handle a camera but know nothing about OS or drives or backups. Asking them "Do you have a backup?" when they come to me with a problem is mostly met with glazed-over eyes or silence.
TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
August 24, 2020
I prefer to store presets with Catalog for a number of reasons, one important being a backup with catalog and images (I have a dedicated HD for just LR, catalog, previews, images).
I only work with one catalog so all presets are there (I wish my DCP camera profiles would as well). Export as Catalog then Import with Catalog (and one selected image which can be deleted) does a pretty good job of transferring a lot of useful data including keywords, collections etc.
Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
August 24, 2020
Unfortunately many of the clueless are using LR.
Yes. 
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
August 24, 2020
The question was to have a clear backup of the presets.
If a user knows how to backup all their data, their presets are backed up! 
If a user knows how to store presets with Catalog, it's a lot easer to find them but it's still quite doable on any OS without doing so. One needs to know how their software operates. Forums like these are resources for those who don't know how to work their software (specifically Adobes). 

Yet LR uses them and they are nowhere to be seen.
That simply isn't correct or true. 
https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/kb/preference-file-and-other-file-locations---lightroom-6....

And it's really, really easy to find them IF you know some ways to do so, case in point from inside LR:



What is clear to me and some other's here may be totally unclear to others. But on Adobe user was born understanding anything about Adobe software. We can and do learn....

"Learning is not attained by chance. It must be sought for with ardor and attended to with diligence. "-Abigail Adams
Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
Inspiring
August 24, 2020
Unfortunately many of the clueless are using LR. A simple backup option would make even their life easier. At least they won't have an excuse for not having them if there is a valid backup option. Not some convoluted "store with catalog" term...
TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
August 24, 2020
People lose stuff; that's their burden. There are several ways to both backup and move presets. Some outlined above.
Agreed, some people have no idea....
Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
Inspiring
August 24, 2020
The question was to have a clear backup of the presets. Not to add them to a catalog what many people are not even aware of what that means. I am not asking for myself, I hardly use presets, they don't fit in my line of photography.

When people get to me with the question of where their presets are, they are often not found where they should have been. Yet LR uses them and they are nowhere to be seen. I agree that those installation procedures are probably convoluted on purpose, but that's not a reason not to be able to back them up.
Inspiring
August 24, 2020
Yes, I get that ACR can do this, so why not LR? People are using multiple catalogs and lose them, people have no idea where they are to reinstall them on a new machine because the old one crashed. There are plenty of reasons why they can't find or get to their presets.