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June 16, 2020
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P: Revert UI to older Camera Raw UI (12.2.1) after Interface Changes

  • June 16, 2020
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after updating photoshop , when i opened it for the first time there was option to use camera raw as it is (vertical film) or to change it to new UI (with new look and horizontal filmstrip ), i just clicked new UI to see how it looks , i thought if i dont like it i will just go back to using older UI but there is no option to select older UI , i contacted adobe but person who was helping me just suggested that i should install older version of camera raw or ask for help from this forum , i found it bit frustrating that if there was simple option to choose new UI so why not give option to revert back to older UI with newly updated software. maybe its bug or adobe forcing people to use new UI even if they dont like it

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TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
July 14, 2020
Who says: “Oh yeah this UI is great, it allows me to click twice more and my mouse travels much more.

If you want a reasonable answer, ask a reasonable question.... Who? Those that don't agree with you. And some don't. Here's some cherry picking from this forum and Luminous Landscape's forum:

Luminous Landscape forum:

I really like the new update, amongst many improvements the layout with "single" mode which lets me know where I am at in my processing, the eye icon next to the tools that I have activated, the zoom tool fit or 100% view etc For the first time in a few years I can see the moment where I will leave C1, use ACR and greatly simplify raw processing with SOs, Panos etc with a single continuous flow within Adobe, all this for a small monthly fee.

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I finally got around to updating last night. I expected some frustration, given the need to overcome 20+ years of ACR UI muscle memory. But it was smooth sailing for me on a Windows 10 desktop system. No problems, and I found the new UI easy to understand.

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Tomas Skaringa just shared this idea in Photoshop Family (Lightroom Classic): Camera Raw HSL Adjustment Brush and Gradient Tools

"Adobe, first thank you for all the wonderful updates! For the next Camera Raw version, I would recommend adding  HSL adjustment brush and gradient tool. I bet everyone would be super happy with this idea. As photographers we often shoot in different environments and colors are not always pleasing in shadows or highlights. So, I wish I would have a chance to adjust a particular color by having an HSL brush or gradient tools. For example, desaturate yellows in certain areas."

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"One step forward and one back, net a little bit better. 

I only use Photoshop for Focus Stacking. Prior to 9.3 it was a pain to try to find the stacked image after returning to Lightroom. Nice fix in 9.3. 

But prior to 9.3, choosing the Crop tool and clicking Constrain Crop would crop the image inside the left over mess on the edges. 

So for me, an overall improvement."

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Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
Participating Frequently
July 14, 2020
branislavmilic it is not only all the added mousing clicking and scrolling in this new UX it is how visually distracting the way it functions.

When switching between tool panels using the icon tab bar visually it is seamless. You don't even notice the change from Basic to Tone Curve.

Using this new scroll bar set up viewing these same settings is not seamless it is now completely visually distracting to the eye scrolling up and down.
Participating Frequently
July 14, 2020
Let's give it a rest and get back to work... Just sayin'
Branislav Milic
Known Participant
July 14, 2020
Who says: “Oh yeah this UI is great, it allows me to click twice more and my mouse travels much more. Also this UI is slower, it's great for my brain, I can think between two clicks.”? Who? Which brain? Which life form?
TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
July 14, 2020
I'm not your enemy either. I've provided simply facts. You can roll back. I've provided how to do so. 
You can learn how to use the new version and move on. 
You can ask Adobe what they will do, don't hold your breath. I've explained factually why

I can easily cherry pick praise for the new GUI. You and others can easily cherry pick the opposite. 

Adobe did get a LOT of feedback long before the product was released, I don't think my NDA limits me telling you this fact. Some were opposed, some were supportive. But Adobe heard and released the version you now have so it wasn't like all this was done in some Adobe vacuum; it absolutely didn't happen that way. 
Don't drink Koolaid; move on. 

They can't provide 'advanced' training before they release a product! And once the product WAS released, they did provide training (URL provided from Adobe here and earlier) as did many others on the day of the release and thereafter. How did those people know what was coming to provide training the day ACR was released? NDAs, pre-release testers etc. 

"I'm not about talking and finger-pointing and complaining. I'm about getting things done". - Christine Quinn
Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
The Image Doc
Participating Frequently
July 14, 2020
Hello Andrew. I'm not your enemy.

I'm a LONG-time user who personally pays for my CC subscription; and like many others, I find the ACR 12.3 seriously inferior to prior releases in terms of workflow and UI/UX.

To your points above...

  • Yes, I mean "kickback" from the market (as in anger, rejection, etc.) about the entire 12.3 release, not "rollback" to a previous version
  • Correct, I'm not under NDA w/ Adobe - and if I were when this release came out, I'd seriously reconsider my position as an honest, objective professional
  • At any rate, the release IS now out, and I still see no objective "professional" feedback (from gurus, bloggers, etc.) about the workflow disaster 12.3 has caused for so many users 
  • Yes, Adobe should perform advance beta testing and live user testing, and provide advance awareness of massive UI switches such as ACR 12.3, and provide opportunity for user / market feedback that they take seriously
  • Yes, Adobe should provide rollback options for massive UI updates for at least 2 subsequent releases to give the market time to adapt and adopt
  • I don't HAVE a question, I'm making a point about the lack of meaningful interaction regarding the market's prevailing opinion of the 12.3 release from official Adobe reps
  • I've successfully rolled back and helped many others do the same
  • I've seen NO objective, helpful information in the form of forum posts, blog articles, etc. from PS/ACR gurus on the web about overcoming / adapting to the ACR 12.3 release in a hi-volume workflow, other than rolling back

If you have information (articles, videos, etc.) from real-world users showing how the ACR 12.3 release is superior to previous releases for hi-volume workflows, or how 12.3 can be adapted to overcome the newly introduced UI/UX deficits in hi-volume workflows, I for one would very much like to review those resources.This is NOT a "challenge" it's a legitimate request.

Like most on the forum, I'm not opposed to progress and willing to learn. (I've used PS since v1 at my first design job in the early 90's, so this isn't my first rodeo with Adobe changes.)

Still, I don't drink the koolaid, and I am frustrated that Adobe...

  1. Pushed out such a massive change to the entire market without any (appreciable) advance awareness, training, etc.
  2. Provided no "legacy UI option" to allow users time to adapt / adopt
  3. Has shown zero empathy to the market's predominantly negative position on the release
I appreciate your challenges to my positions...
TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
July 14, 2020
Kickback? You wish to roll back to the last version. Doable. 
Adobe telling you what they are going to do before they release? Not going to happen, you're not (like some here) under NDA. 

So what is your question, how to roll back to the last version? 
Installers can be found here:https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-in-installer.html#12_x

Hired guns? No. Some in pre-release NDA testers posting how to make the new version work with the new changes or telling you how to actually go back; yes
Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
The Image Doc
Participating Frequently
July 14, 2020
... and still, there has been NO MEANINGFUL RESPONSE FROM ADOBE about the kickback on ACR 12.3, here or anywhere else that I can find. Just hired-guns and gurus towing the corporate line with occasional rollback instructions posted by 'official representatives' on forums like this one. 
Participating Frequently
July 13, 2020
I have asked about and suggested this change multiple times but Adobe never gets back to me and years later it has not changed.  I don't really want to buy any new software but this change to 12.3 might force me to. 

 
alans98926879
Known Participant
July 10, 2020
lwdgrfx: I got mine reverted by simply running the 12.2 installer... THEN after a system reboot Bridge failed to display thumbnail images. The latter was fixed by opening the Adobe CC installer, selecting the "3 dots" menu for Adobe Bridge, selecting other versions & reverting to the previous version of Bridge. After that, and a system reboot, all is back to normal. I'll never allow another update of Bridge or Camera RAW without first verifying in this group that the huge mistake of an "upgrade" isn't repeated.