P: Ability to sync Lightroom Classic keywords with the Lightroom Ecosystem

You are right. Im fact there is less and less YouTube content. People are switching. Thats good for us. C1 seems the good alternative. With no cloud, for sure.

I agree on the captivity part as well as in the spread of minor updates to justify the price.
I find, however, to see much less LR related content on YouTube than before « cloudy ». It’s maybe just a feeling, but if true, I wonder why it would be.

I'm sad customers do not understand they are totally captive using cloud and or subscription model. Is is so easy to understand. Maybe mire difficult tp admit. It is  obvious Adobe just limits functionality and spread some minor update all month long too justify you have to pay a subscription. There is plethora of lobby, including the Queen and other youtubers devoted to Adobe, that's probably why things are not more easy to understand. So this sync will never be implemented , believe me. 

I use the hierarchy extensively but agree given the choice of pressing that imagined button I’d be disappointed but I’d agree to it too.

Agreed! Me too 😉

I would just add to LR people that I do not care about the hierarchical way to organise keyword. If tomorrow I have a pop up asking me if I want to 1. flatten my keyword forever in my classic collection in order to use sync in cc or 2. Keep hierarchical
I would click 1. Immediately.

Chris,

Aha,  Now I understand what you're doing.  You are using a Collection as a surrogate for a keyword so that albums in Cloudy relate to keywords in Classic.  Okay, that makes sense assuming the number of keywords that need such treatment are reasonable.

Hi Dan, perhaps it doesn’t relate. I’m not claiming any like you described.

It’s a work around that I use. In Lightroom Classic I use keywords to find photos quick. In Lightroom Mobile I’m frustrated because I cannot search for photos tagged with keywords from Classic. Keyword based smart albums are now indirectly accessible on my Lightroom Mobile. If I’m on the go and want to show a picture of my dog I just bring up the “Dogs” album that is automatically synced from the keyword “Dogs”.

I thought since other people on this thread are suffering from missing keyword sync they might find value in my work around. In that way I think it related to the thread.

I don't see how this relates to this thread?  Are you claiming that by syncing a dumb collection, that has cloud sync turned on, with the contents of a smart collection that somehow that syncs keyword changes to/from the cloud?   Unless the plugin is doing something under the covers wtih smart previews I don't see how that could happen.

I posted this before, but here it is again

PROPOSED WAY (for Adobe) TO SYNC KEYWORDS BETWEEN CLASSIC AND CLOUDY

 

Even keeping the constraint that LR Classic uses hierarchical KW's and LR Cloud uses a linear (flat) KW structure, this problem can be solved.  There are, of course, some technical aspects but the main rationale I've heard so far for not doing this is the logical problem of how to map a hierarchical structure to a linear structure.  One solution is to convert LR Cloud to a hierarchical structure but putting that aside, here is one possible solution to that problem:

 

1)  In LR Classic, Adobe can add check boxes in the create/edit keyword dialog for

·         "Sync this KW with LR Cloud"

·         "Sync Containing KW's with LR Cloud"

·         "Sync Synonyms with LR Cloud (would become regular KW's in LR Cloud)”

2)  . In LR Classic, whenever you mark a Keyword to Sync (as suggested above), it checks to assure that another keyword with the same name but under a different parent – or no parent - is not also marked to Sync.  If it finds one it would deny the request to mark it for sync with a message.  In this way, there would no longer be a case where a single keyword in LR Cloudy could map to more than one keyword in LR Classic.  In our example, if one wanted both occurrences of "red" to sync, the user would need to rename one or both of them (e.g.  Red-Bird and Red-Car).

3)  When Adobe syncs LR/Classic to LR/Cloudy the hierarchical Keywords selected to sync will map to a flat keyword structure (due to rule 2).   In addition, Parent keywords in LR/Classic can also sync into the flat LR/Cloudy structure where using “Sync Containing Keywords” options uses the same logic that is used today with export.  Of course those sunced parent keywords would no longer be parents in LR/.Cloudy but would also be in the flat structure.

4)  If an image in LR Classic loses a keyword or these tick's get changed, the changes on effected images can be placed in the Smart Preview (or XMP data) and can sync to LR Cloud.  This may include adding or removing KW’s in LR Cloud or attaching/detaching keywords from images in LR Cloud

5)  If a user defined KW is added to an image in LR Cloud it could map to either no KW in LR Classic or at most one "ticked" KW in LR Classic.  In the former case, LR Classic would create the new KW at the root level of the Hierarchy with "Sync this KW with LR Cloud" ticked.  In the later case there could be only 1 ticked LR Classic Keyword (or synonym) with that name that would be affected.

I worked for Adobe for several years and have a very high regard for the quality of the engineers there to solve this problem if management would just ask them to do it.

THIS CAN BE DONE if there is a will to do so at Adobe and the more people who "vote" for having KW's sync between the ecosystems, the more it will push Adobe to re-consider this.