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October 19, 2017
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P: Ability to sync Lightroom Classic keywords with the Lightroom Ecosystem

  • October 19, 2017
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Keywords do not sync correctly: When added on the mobile app (iOS), they do not appear in LR classic and not in LR Web (I deleted the new LR CC immediately, this version does not make sense to me).
Same problem into the other direction: Keywords from LR classic do not appear on the mobile app. 
Attention: At this stage the whole keywording within the iOS app should not be used!

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john beardsworth
Community Expert
Community Expert
September 13, 2018
I happen not to be a fan of hierarchical keywording, but maybe everyone should vote for this feature request in the hope that it would remove the incompatibility excuse?
It's very disappointing that Adobe doesn't find some way to implement mobile keywording that integrates with established Classic workflows. Classic users might then view the mobile keywording feature as imperfect yet reasonably valuable rather than as a complete waste of effort. For example, LR might only sync mobile keywords to Classic as children of a specially-defined keyword. The current arbitrary fragmented workflow might suit branding, it doesn't suit many users.
Participating Frequently
September 13, 2018
Hi Rikk thanks for reply.

I understand (too late because it is obvious only after switching but understood)

That is the problem. All is said in one sentence.
2 audiances. But why??
We need cloud. Ok you will have to loose all others functionality.
Ok i want functionality. Ok you will not have the cloud because we think you are part of the other audience.

But WHY?
I need to switch beewten the 2 software because on classic I can easily sort photo without tag or gps data. And I can create smart folder with tag etc etc.
This is MY WOKFLOw

Why an another audience how needs cloud should not be able to simply sort photo without tag?
Can you explain why it is an another audience? No you can’t.

Why because I want a full cloud solution I’m not able to print? You can’t.
I don’t even think about contact sheet I do need.
Of one day we can print it will be explain,1) it is to expensive /complex to implement 2) I’m not in the good audience and people which use cloud do not need such a feature or not understand Lr.

About tag sync:
I have not hierarchical tag in claissic. Do not need.
I have 25 (about) tag label and because it is. It hierarchical it should be simply sync. Hope it will be.

All this is very sad.

5mn reading this help content show clearly adobe is killing itself.
Rikk Flohr_Photography
Community Manager
September 13, 2018
"I would like to know if it is deliberate or not. "

Oliver - this is as-designed behavior. 

Lightroom Classic uses hierarchical keywords. 
Lightroom CC (all platforms) uses a combination of AI keywords plus user-entered keywords in a non-hierarchical schema. 

When you migrate a Lightroom Classic CC catalog into Lightroom CC there is a one-time transference of keywords from Classic to CC but those keywords are flattened out of their hierarchy.

A hierarchical schema is not compatible for various workflow reasons with a flat schema - ergo there is no syncing of keywords between the two.  The two products are designed for different audiences and workflows. 

There is a feature request for addition of hierarchy in the CC world: https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/keywords-controlled-vocabulary You can add your vote there and include comments. 
Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
Participating Frequently
September 13, 2018
We can understand the logic. One is for standalone, the other is for cloud.
But how the hell because that if we want the cloud, we need to leave all what perfectly make Lightroom functionalities be Lightroom.
I think LR CC is now a 24 month old program development and such basic feature are not implemented!
They have to hire some Indians cheap and competent team and we will have all this feature in months.
Participating Frequently
September 13, 2018
Sorry Uk is not my mother tongue, hope it will be understandable
Participating Frequently
September 13, 2018
The problem is because of a deficient web site (almost for human being),  we most of the time discover such limitation very often when the workflow is so much engaged it is complex to rewind.

And bye the way, why not let people how does not use hierarchical keyword full sync.

Thy way we could use the very expensive combo LR Classic + LR CC + 1TB to compensate the very weak LR CC which is near unusable alone to manage photo but edit
JohanElzenga
Community Expert
Community Expert
September 13, 2018
From what I understand, it is deliberate for a technical reason. Lightroom Classic has hierarchical keywords, meaning you can have the same keyword appear in more than one hierarchy. Take 'Los Angeles' for example. Most people would only think about the city in California, but there are many cities with that name around the world. That is where syncing becomes a big mess. When the keyword 'Los Angeles' comes in, how is Lightroom to know which one it is? This is also why Lightroom CC does have keywords, but not hierarchical.

Of course it should be possible to find a solution for this, but apparently that took so much work that they decided not to do it. Furthermore, Lightroom Classic is not meant to be part of Lightroom CC in the first place. Its syncing capabilities are more or less left-overs from the time that Lightroom Mobile existed but Lightroom CC did not. I'm sure that now that Lightroom CC for the desktop exists, Adobe would rather terminate any syncing in Lightroom Classic than enhance it.
-- Johan W. Elzenga
Participating Frequently
September 13, 2018
When I read those really interesting comment, I find crazy Adobe does not takes in account our requests. 
The most we use classic or LR, the most we discover missing feature.

I would like to know if it is deliberate or not. 

It make me thing we are paying a whole 24 bucks a month for a beta software. in fact we are paying the development of the software but our voice is not take in account,

Thats unfair from adobe.
berliner_ffm
Inspiring
September 12, 2018
Not syncing keywords is probably the most silly decision in Lightroom CC that Adobe has made. CC is perfect for taking you Classic Catalogue Pictures with you on the road on a smaller device, so that you can cull through photos (which works fine) and tag them (which is not possible at all if you want to continue in Classic later).
Please Adobe have mercy on everybody an sync keywords across these platforms! And if you decide to do so, please include the Sensei-Data as well (I recently found out that they are included in the Sync-Protocoll which can be downloaded in Lightroom Classic), so it should not be that difficult).
john beardsworth
Community Expert
Community Expert
September 12, 2018
provided that the keywords had been written into the file's metadata (using the LR Classic command Metadata > Save Metadata To File or the option Catalog Settings > Automatically Write Changes Into XMP).
and provided that you have not generated smart previews for those photos before saving metadata to file. This is because the sync process always tries to upload any existing smart preview rather than generate a new one, so if you generate them before saving metadata to file they won't have the keywords baked in. So it's a "special case" with numerous caveats.

I think many of us feel let down by Adobe's failure to implement some kind of mobile keywording that can be used with Classic.