P: Better keyword management

Well, Bridge also orders keywords alphabetically without your consent if you use a hierarchy. You have to fool it if you don't want the keywords to retain your order.

Add my name to the growing list of disappointed...

yes, it is something, but it would be easier to add at least some keywords right when I am importing photos. Right now, they might as well delete that keyword box on the import screen...

I also am extremely disappointed that Lightroom continues to force keywords to alphabetical order. This is really sub-optimal and forces stock photographers to bring images into Bridge or Photoshop for keywording.

I also don't see any improvements to keywording in LR4b - very disappointing in a major version upgrade.
At the very least, larger keyword sets and the ability to put them in a user-defined order (something other than straight alpha like now) should be implemented.

Agreed that the Keywords box in the Import module isn't that useful.

But immediately after import, all the imported photos will appear as the special source Catalog > Previous Import, and from there you'll have full access to the Library's keyword functionality. Does this not work reasonably well for your workflow?

I would like to see an improvement to the keyword box on image import as well: I can add keywords on importing images, but there is no way to select keywords from my established hierarchy of keywords. This makes the box useless to most advanced users! I don't see any improvements to keywording in LR4b, which is disappointing.

another couple of things for keywords :

1] can we have a 'Previous' Button please? Often I have to enter ten keywords to an image, when I've just recently added the same ten keywords to a previous image

2] Keyword Sets: Can we have them of unlimited size please? - a limit of nine is very limiting and annoying to have to keep loading seperate sets up

I have a collection of photos from the local drama group. one of the keywords I apply is the name of the play which could have a number of words. (it is in a hierarchical category as an alphabetical list of the play names under "Play")

I would want to be able to do a keyword filter for just the "play" category. (without having to scroll through every other keyword )

Likewise, I want to be able to display the assigned keyword in the "play" Category underneath prints or in the new books module without any other keywords showing.
- this is in addition to the caption field which I use to list the names of the people showing in the photo from left to right.

I would also love to have keywords that can belong to 2 hierarchy branch:
for example you may have a hierarchy like that :

People
-----Friends
---------School friends
----------------First grade
--------------------John
--------------------Tom
--------------------Jerry
---------Second grade
--------------------John
--------------------Mickey
--------------------Mini

Here John was both your classmate in first and second grade, so you have him in these 2 branches of the hierarchical tree.

Currently if you assign the first tag
People->Friends->School friends->First grade->John
the second tag
People->Friends->School friends->Second grade->John
is not assigned, I would like an option to specify that these 2 tags are the same and should be synchronised.

This is just an example with name but there are plenty of other cases where I have the problem.

I could change the organisation of the keywords but I would loose a lot of flexibility.

This could also work for keyword that are different:

example (with one way synchronisation - I find this one very useful)

domestic animal
-------my cat Tom

Nature
-------Animal world
-----------mammals
----------------cat

or other example

---sunset photo

---natural light photo

this should be an option, when you create the keyword, you should be able to select among the exisitng one, wich keyword you want to link and which way the synchro should be done (one way or both way or reverse way)

regards

We have a superb map feature for LR4, we have a book feature that will blow away the competition when other suppliers add their templates to it - which they most definitely will do.
I'm hoping that there will be a fully re-thought and up to date powerful and intelligent key-wording section that makes key-wording viable and simple, that allows moving of 100's of keywords to hierarchies, and picks up similarly spelt / misspelt keywords.
There is such a need for some good keywording and the current iteration - even when opened up as people have indicated is not sufficient, the drag and drop is poor and clumsy.

I'm sure / hoping / wishing that LR4 beta 2 has the keyword section in it.
that would be most wonderful!