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October 14, 2023
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P: Brighten the Histogram as LrC 13.0 histogram is much darker than LrC 12.5

  • October 14, 2023
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Lightroom Classic 13.0, macOS Ventura 13.6

 

New histogram look in develop module draws histogram in afancy stule with a line contour that envelops the histogram and stretches all the way from blacks to highlights. The line contour stretches the whole length of the histiogram all the time and this makes it impossible to see the real data distribution or where highlights or blacks need to be adjusted and how much of the range is left. The histogram view is basically useless. This fancy displaying is style over substance change and negates the reason to use histogram - please revert to old style histogram where empty areas are easy to see and there are no fancy line contours. Better yet - make your developers coming up with these fancy ideas to actually use the product themselves.

 

The clipping iundicators are no help either because I have a situation where clip indicator show no clipping yet when selected shows some small areas of clipping in image - see screenshot with clipping indicator shows no clipping in highlights yet when selected shows blown highlights on swans.
I had no issues using histogram in Lightroom Classic 12 and it was far more useful when presenting information to the user, please reinstate it!

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Known Participant
October 15, 2023

> So this is not about how the histogram functions but it's about how the results are displayed.

Both - how results are displayed affects the functionality. How it functions under the hood is irrelevant since photographers don't know/don't care about that.

alexskunz
Inspiring
October 15, 2023

I see two problems with the v13 histogram display:

 

1. it is generally much darker (which is a design problem)

2. the "thin line" that is always extending all the way to pure black and pure white (which is, I'd say, a bug)

 

The 2nd can be reproduced by applying extreme settings. This depends on the photo but it could be something like this. First, no thin line:

 

 

Then I adjusted the Blacks just a tiny bit — and the thin line shoots all the way to the Whites in the Histogram, but needless to say, there are absolutely no tones in the actual image at this point that would reflect this.

 

 

Cheers

Alex.

 

DdeGannes
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 15, 2023

So this is not about how the histogram functions but it's about how the results are displayed.

 

Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 24H2, LrC 15.0.1, PS 27.0; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.
GoldingD
Legend
October 15, 2023

Does anyone have a link for an Adobe document addressing the new histogram? The why, the how.

All I can find are third party documents (well, Ok, one document) on how this is a big mistake. ( and Adobe, a mistake in design, IS a bug)

 

https://www.alex-kunz.com/new-features-in-lightroom-classic-13/

 

 

 

 

Known Participant
October 15, 2023

So looking at this histogram for example (it should be the size corresponding what I see on 14" laptop) please tell me whether the image is underexposed or not.

 

Known Participant
October 15, 2023

> I am not sure if I what the problem is?

Seriously? You showing screenshots with exposure where white/black point set already with lots of data in hightlight and blacks to allow ends of the histogram to look distinguishable. Look at screenshots I gave - all those at least 1 stop underexposed. Or in your case move white point/exposure to be under exposed to see the difference between 12 and 13.

I just happened to edit a few shots after update with highlight area being not so greatly represented so on a new histogram you cannot see where empty area ends and those highlights and histogram actually begins and I spent ages tweaking what used to be 1-2 seconds job.

DdeGannes
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 15, 2023

My experience, 

I am not sure if I what the problem is?

See the screen captures.

The first image is a screenshot from my iMac running Big Sur and Lightroom Classic 12.5.

The second is a snip from my Win 11 laptop and Lightroom Classic 13.0.1.

 

OK I think I get it now, you are referring to how the edges are highlighted?

 

 

 

Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 24H2, LrC 15.0.1, PS 27.0; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.
Known Participant
October 15, 2023
It is not about bothering - it is about not being able to determine
white/black latitude when looking at histogram since you cannot deduce if
the line represents empty data or some small amount of data not represented
by the scale
Participating Frequently
October 15, 2023

Totally agree. I just upgraded and as soon as I saw the histogram, I thought something had gone wrong with the install. It's unreadable and I want the old one back.

Known Participant
October 18, 2023

I am trying to figure out how Adobe thinks the redesigned V. 13.0 Histogram is an upgrade. It is, in my opinion, less useful, and harder to see. I cannot find any explanation as to why it has been changed, and why Adobe thinks this is an improvement. Does anyone else agree?

Justin Hoch
Inspiring
October 15, 2023

Yeah, I don't think they wanted it to be unusable. It can be difficult to design things for different people who have different needs and different ways of using things. Even here, we both prefer the old version. Whereas you consider it unusable, I merely don't like how it looks. Same conclusion, but very different levels of frustration.

 

I definitely see what you're saying about the line at zero; it just doesn't bother me. It isn't a big enough of a difference to affect my workflow. If I have to strain my eyes to see if the number of pixels at a given brightness level is zero or non-zero, then to me it's not a big enough area to be too concerned about. But I can understand if that level of finesse is important to other people. I definitely have areas where pixel-level specifications can be infuriating.