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August 29, 2013
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P: Custom sort order of keywords (instead of alphabetic).

  • August 29, 2013
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Lightroom needs to stop re-ordering our keywords into an alphabetical order. People who are keywording for stock agencies and other purposes need to order their keywords most important and relevant first. Lightroom ruins this for us. I can't believe it's version 5 and Lightroom hasn't figured this out. Lightroom is single-handedly ruining our sales based on keyword searches. Thanks Adobe

143 replies

Known Participant
October 16, 2014
I think it's not the question if an agency it need's and how. There is really no reason to force a photographer how he has to manage his keywords. Photoshop does not, Bridge not and ie. captureone also not.

I have over 20 agencies and each of these has a different way to deal with keywords. So I think it would be very difficult to change LR in this direction.

The switch between apha- and non-alpha would be great, also a tool where you can drag and drop the keywords in the correct order - also to mange older photos with alpha-sorting.

For the motivation of adobe, if a small agency like pixta has 141.000 contributors you can imagine how many potential customers you can find in this world.

I love LR very much and work with it many hours a day, but all the hours I need for the workaround for this "bug" are not necessary.

(again sorry for my bad English 😉
areohbee
Legend
October 16, 2014
+pictage (requires sorted keywords too).
Inspiring
October 16, 2014
@188115: It depends on the stock agencies. Fotolia ranks the first 7 higher, Panthermedia the first 8, Alamy has a system of different degrees, not sure about the other ones mentioned...
john beardsworth
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 16, 2014
Great to get that info, finally. Do you know any more details? For example, do they use all the keywords to assess relevance or only (say) the first 5 keywords. I wouldn't bet on Adobe implementing this (not least as I think it would force them to add other features such as a switch between alpha and non-alpha sorting) but more detail might allow a plug-in to provide a solution that's better and sooner. You might even ask the stock agency to create their own LR plug-in - it might be self-interest....
Known Participant
October 16, 2014
iStock, pixta, ...
Inspiring
October 16, 2014
There are at least three stock agencies that require the keywords sorted by relevancy: Alamy, Fotolia and Panthermedia.

So this is not a single use case, but a nneded feature for professional stock photographers...
Inspiring
July 25, 2014
Keywords in custom sort order are necessary! Everyone should choose in what order want keywords, not only for stock photography but in general! Adobe should correct this as soon as possible, it is very important for photographer in digital era! LR is the better software! This is, for my opinion, the only necessary thing to add.
Inspiring
July 25, 2014
Keywords in custom sort order are necessary! Everyone should choose in what order want keywords, not only for stock photography but in general! Adobe should correct this as soon as possible, it is very important for photographer in digital era! LR is the better software! This is, for my opinion, the only necessary thing to add.
areohbee
Legend
May 9, 2014
I think you could *almost* accomplish the goal now by doing this:

* Pre-pend a 0-padded number to keep them ordered the way you want.
* Remove the prefix upon export using Jeffrey Friedl's Metadata Wrangler.

I say "almost" because Jeffrey's plugin requires each prefix be specified individually (pattern matching not supported), which may be prohibitive, or maybe not (?)

That said, if the concept is sound (keywords are orderable using the prefix, and order can be maintained by exiftool upon export), then one could request Jeffrey implement pattern matching, and if design not making that easy (or he's too busy..), maybe somebody else could add that to a different plugin, e.g. me to Exportant.
john beardsworth
Community Expert
Community Expert
May 9, 2014
But they don't force *all* stock photographers to stay away, and Lightroom's ethos was to be a ground-up design - previous examples like PS/Br are not a standard. So which other agencies utilize keyword order? How widespread is this practice?