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steve USA
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December 28, 2017
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P: Please let us make "destructive" changes to our images

  • December 28, 2017
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I work on a library of 7K+ images across 220 directories/folders. When I make changes to an image I want the option to write those to the original file, not just to the catalog/database. There are many reasons for this need but for some reason Lightroom seems to be uniquely defiant and righteous on this topic. Please don't be condescending and tell me to use the Export option because it's just to cumbersome, especially when working on large numbers of files. I just want Ctrl-S to write all changes to the file I'm working on, not a copy.

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RikkFlohr: Inactive
Inspiring
December 28, 2017
Downside? - millions will lose data.  The number of screaming people who've accidentally overwritten their unrecoverable data will flood the support areas.

Even it were only an option (a preference) I would not only vote against but lobby with every fiber of my being to prevent this. 
JohanElzenga
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Community Expert
December 28, 2017
It's not only changing the entire foundation of Lightroom, it's changing the entire foundation of raw files. It's like burning your negatives after you've made a print. And for proprietary raw files it's not a matter of 'making sense' or not, it's simply not possible. A raw file is defined by the very fact that it contains raw data and burning edits into the file would change these data to rgb.
-- Johan W. Elzenga
Victoria Bampton LR Queen
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December 28, 2017
>  updates to dng does which is adobe's preferred path for storing "raw" files").

Writing to DNG CAN embed a full resolution version of the edited file. Most other software just chooses to ignore it.
Victoria - The Lightroom Queen
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December 28, 2017
I don't see this as changing the entire foundation. Its like saying ps should not have "compress layers" because its a layer-based editor.  Well it does, and it incorporates all the edits represented in the layers into a single layer, and you continue your work. 

I agree that updating to a RAW file does  not make sense, but updates to dng does which is adobe's preferred path for storing "raw" files").
Participating Frequently
December 28, 2017
There may be many apps that support destructive edits, but not all have the features/functions that LR has...so to me that argument does not hold water..
Participating Frequently
December 28, 2017
Just because ctrl-s MIGHT be enabled does not mean you have to use it 🙂
Victoria Bampton LR Queen
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Community Expert
December 28, 2017
Steve, it's just not the tool for the job. It wasn't a choice to increase Photoshop sales. Lightroom and the Camera Raw engine behind it were designed for raw editing, and raw data is just that - raw. You can't apply the changes to original files. All raw processors work this way, so Lightroom isn't being defiant or different in this. It just happens they opened it up to editing a couple of other file types too. 

The feature request will remain open, but to set expectations, it's highly unlikely they'll change the entire foundation on which Lightroom built.
Victoria - The Lightroom Queen
Participant
December 28, 2017
So the status of a pro relies on the numbers of files he has? What kind of an arrogant posting this is 😞

Maybe his request is not the smartest one in regard of the basic behaviour of LR, but at least some respect should be shown here in this forum.
Inspiring
December 28, 2017
As far as I know, The principe of Adobe LR is very simple: don't destroy the originals! And I don't think that Adobe change something about that.

As far as I have correctly read your comments, I cannot say what's your production flow. Do you take pictures in RAW or in JPEG.?

What I understand is that you would like to have the corrected pictures written on HDD in place of the original one's. This won't work with LR.

If you are working with RAW files there are other ways to realise what you intend to do.
You could use DxO Lab following what I say.
Even if DwO Lab don't destroy the RAW files, It's possible to reach your dream but not completely. With DxO Lab, you can correct your pictures and write them in a specific folder. After you may destroy your originals and the attached sidecars. The final images would be elsewhere. You will be then able to make a LR catalog just on these final files. 
Inspiring
December 28, 2017
An original Raw that never changes, otherwise how to resume in another software? This application is really wacky and 7K image, it's not much, we're dealing here with an amateur, for whom Lightroom is not done.
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