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Carlos_Oliveras
Carlos_Oliveras
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April 25, 2015
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P: "Restore" paint mode for transition areas of graduated/radial filters

  • April 25, 2015
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It's great to finally see the "mask brush" for graduated/radial filters introduced in LR CC. But I'm having the same problem that I have in ACR since this feature was introduced in v8.5:

- I draw a graduated filter
- I erase part of it using the brush, over the transition area of the filter's "mask"
- I realize I've erased too much of it, so I try to paint it back partially... but I can't paint back the original transition (the mask fading), I just paint the mask at 100% (or 0% if I erase). [Well, I can lower the flow, but it's near impossible to match the gradation of the original mask.]

It would help a lot to have some kind of "restore" checkbox (or brush mode, same as A / B / Erase) that allows to recover selectively parts of the original mask. Or just a keyboard modifier to be held while painting (that would be great!). Otherwise this feature feels a little half-baked to me since you can't correct mistakes over the transition areas, just ctrl+z every time or start from scratch.

Maybe there's some way to fix this problem that I'm not aware of? If so, please let me know. Otherwise, please consider this enhancement, thanks.

PS. If you were to add this... please make the "restore" brush the same size as the regular brush - it's enough of a nightmare the size switch that happens everytime I go from "A" size to "Erase" - I hope this other related requested is implemented someday too: http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...

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    FeedbackCommunityMember
    Inspiring
    July 18, 2018
    Although not what you’re asking about, it may help you achieve certain results quicker. https://youtu.be/SFuHYJvBXIQ
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    1ndivisible
    Inspiring
    July 16, 2018


    It is crazy that using a brush on the graduated filter destroys the gradient. I would expect that using brushed would mask/unmask the gradient, not edit the gradient directly.
    didierc69515119
    didierc69515119
    Known Participant
    July 16, 2018


    Since I am not sure of the effectiveness of voting for a change request, I decided to create a new application.
    The fact that the brush behaves like a normal brush when editing the mask of a graduated or radial filter is quite beyond me.We need to be able to paint back fully or partially, the GRADATION of a graduated or radial filter, just like the erase brush does it.
    This has already been reported three years ago and still no change in this behavior.
    Please wake up...
    https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom-cc-mask-brush-restore-paint-mode-fo...
    https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/please-make-editing-a-graduated-filter-with-t...
    Carlos_Oliveras
    Carlos_OliverasAuthor
    Known Participant
    December 9, 2016
    Since I posted this suggestion, some people showed me several limitations of the "brush filter" design I was not initially aware of. To summarize, the updated suggestion would be to:

    • allow the user to restore the gradation back in when painting (after erasing an area that overlaps the original gradation)
    • provide some method so that we can move or even remove the erased/painted areas independently from the "filter" they were painted on (as if they had their own "pin"). This is needed not only when copying/pasting from one image to another, as Andrei already pointed out, but also when duplicating a filter on the same image, since the painted/erased areas are duplicated also, but can't be removed unless all filters (original and duplicates) are removed from the image and recreated again from scratch.

    (It would be even better if masks in LR could be taken to a whole new level so that we could fill, invert, combine them, etc. independently -similar to the way C1 handles selections as "layers". I'm afraid that's not on LR's roadmap, though.)
    Thanks.
    Carlos_Oliveras
    Carlos_OliverasAuthor
    Known Participant
    December 8, 2016
    For those of you who understand spanish, I've posted a video detailing the oddities of the "filter brush" and sharing my view on them:

    http://www.photoshopeando.com/2016/12/08/el-filtro-pincel-en-lightroom-cc-gran-idea-mala-implementac...

    Not that I bear much hope of seeing it fixed so long after this report was initially posted, but who knows...
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    1ndivisible
    Inspiring
    October 18, 2015
    I don't agree. I think it's just poor design. With the budgets Adobe have these edges should not be rough.
    john beardsworth
    Community Expert
    john beardsworthCommunity Expert
    Community Expert
    October 18, 2015
    Because IMHO a global reset is good enough for a very large proportion of cases.
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    1ndivisible
    Inspiring
    October 18, 2015
    This is just a global reset. It doesn't help restore the gradient selectively. If you've spent 20 mins on the mask only to decide you want to restore part of the gradient , how is it 'sufficient'?
    john beardsworth
    Community Expert
    john beardsworthCommunity Expert
    Community Expert
    October 18, 2015
    It repaints all the original gradient, not restoring parts of it, but in my view it's sufficient - and the bigger problem is that it's not obvious.
    Carlos_Oliveras
    Carlos_OliverasAuthor
    Known Participant
    October 18, 2015
    John: Yes, but do you mean that as a solution? All that "Reset brushes" does is reset (erase) the brush strokes. As far as I know, it does not allow to paint back in the original gradation, does it?
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