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Simqplicious
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January 31, 2012
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P: RGB Parade and Vectorscope in Lightroom?

  • January 31, 2012
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Hi
I do a lot of video editing and really like using the RGB Parade and Vectorscope.

Histogram for photos aren't as detailed. Is there any plugins or features that have similar functions like RGB Parade and Vectorscope for use inside Lightroom or maybe as an external editor?

Best regards Simon

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    TheDigitalDog
    TheDigitalDog
    Inspiring
    February 7, 2022
    Of course, that only applies if your science is correct.

     

    First of all, it isn't 'my' science. There is an entire field of science devoted to color and as I wrote, 'it' doesn't care if you believe in it or not.

    Have you read Fairchild's Color Appearance Models, as I have? Even the first chapter? When you do, we can discuss what I wrote about the differences between Color Perception and Color Appearance.

    Maybe you are too young or inexperienced in printing color in the darkroom. I did a lot of it; RA4, Ciba, and without any Histograms, RGB values, Vectorscopes. I'm not alone.

    As for this very old feature request, let me tell you my experience: over 20 years ago, while a beta for Photoshop 2.5, I requested a Saturation Curve like my good old LinoColor software. I've asked again over the years and I'm pretty sure, based on the history, I'm not going to get it. And I can live with that, Photoshop nor any Adobe produce is mine and all I can do is request features and move on.

    When my partners and I wanted tools in Photoshop that didn't exist, we created them and it was a pretty solid business. One was even introduced in Lightroom Classic itself! Maybe you can find some partners to build a plug-in and actually affect the change you want. Otherwise, there seems to be strong opinions about how software should be developed, by people (AFAIK) having no experience developing software. 

    Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
    andreask85831847
    andreask85831847
    Participating Frequently
    February 6, 2022

    This would really add a lot of value for LR. I am currently editing in PP and use stills that have been shot by the same camera as the video footage in the same lighting conditions.

    Using the x-rite colorchecker photo for the stills, the corresponding LR plugin gives me a correction that looks otically sound (on a calibrated monitor).

    If I then correct the video parts with the help of another big x-rite chart (which sports the same tiles) and use vectorscope and parade/waveform to correct the footage manually, I end up with a quite different overall color assessment next to the stills.

    IMHO the corrected videos are better, as they seem perfectly flat, therefore providing the better basis for subsequent grading.

    This, in turn, means that the x-rite plugin for the stills, while doing a good job overall, certainly doesn't provide the best possible results. Hence the requested feature should be very welcome in LR.

     

    I am thinking of creating some kind of preset lumetri correction in PP for pre-processed stills, but I am not sure (yet) if this will hold up for changing lighting situations. Intuitively, I'd say such a tranformation preset would be too static.

     

    Note that I am at best an ambitious wannabe-semi-pro. Nevertheless, the tools provided in PP enable even me to arrive at professional looking results, while the eyballing meets muscle memory techniques on the photography said seem arcane most of the time.

    TheDigitalDog
    TheDigitalDog
    Inspiring
    February 7, 2022

    Wow, talk about resurrecting an old post (6 years old).

    The best answer was from John IMHO, use your eyes.

    Sets of numbers, Colorimetry is about (based on) color perception. It is not about color appearance. There's a significant difference. The reason why viewing an image or print is more valid than measuring it or sampling a group of pixels, is because measurement is about comparing solid colors. And that is what the color sampling, histograms etc are based on.

    Color appearance is about evaluating images and color in context which measurement devices can't provide. Colorimetry was never designed as a color appearance model. It was never designed to even be used as an interchange space between device dependent color models. It's not designed for imagery at all. Colorimetry based on solid  colors in very specific ambient and surround conditions. Color in context, color we see and evaluate, that's key.

    Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
    andreask85831847
    andreask85831847
    Participating Frequently
    February 7, 2022

    I apologize for disapointing your personal expectation of timing in the context of an arbitrarily set standard of forum viewer experience.

    And I congratulate you, if "using your eyes" is your goto MO. Doesn't work for me, though, as certain genetic conditions exactly prevent you from that in the sense of achieving satisfying objective results.

    That being said, your answer might be scientifically sound. Nevertheless, they are also just a "get on with it already" in the context of a real *practical* problem, like normalizing moving and still footage, that has been captured in identical situations with identical gear.

    So here, have a medal for whatever.

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    tomthefrog
    Participating Frequently
    July 22, 2020

    It's an old thread, but just wanted to leave this link here: 

     

    Nobe OmniScope - scope solution that will work with Lightroom (and other photo editing software). It's using screen capture to monitor the source image in realtime.

    Open BETA has launched - more info here:
    https://timeinpixels.com/nobe-omniscope-beta/

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      samb50428946
      Participating Frequently
      July 24, 2020

      I'm also in need of a more informative scope than just a histogram. Can't believe adobe hasn't implemented this yet. Seems like it 100% possible because they already have it in PP. I signed up for Nobe instantly! FFS adobe improve your software based on your customer whishes!

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        AxelMattCommunity Expert
        Community Expert
        July 24, 2020

        Lightroom is application for editing pictures and not really for videos. The support for video editing in LR is very rudimental. For a proper video editing you have to use an appropriate program like Premiere Pro or Premiere Elements

        My System: Intel i7-8700K - 64GB RAM - NVidia Geforce RTX 3060 - Windows 11 Pro 25H2 -- LR-Classic 15 - Photoshop 27 - Nik Collection 9 - PureRAW 6 - Topaz Photo AI
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          _Scarlet_Spider_
          Known Participant
          August 15, 2017

          Hi,

          may I ask then how do professional photo editors manage tasks like obtaining "true" skin color values and saturation control without vectorscope?
          Also, I would love to see Waveform monitor in Lightroom, as regular histogram isn't accurate enough for me.

            johnrellis
            johnrellis
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            August 16, 2017

            Also, I would love to see Waveform monitor in Lightroom, as regular histogram isn't accurate enough for me.

            Please add details of why you want this feature and your me-too vote to this feature request in the official Adobe feedback forum: Lightroom: Add vertically aligned Parade Scopes to be able to locate under & overexposure | Photoshop Family Customer Co… (This forum is primarily user-to-user and Adobe product developers are rarely seen here.)

            rpandita
            rpandita
            Inspiring
            November 10, 2015

            Hi Simqplicious,

            Greetings.

            You can use Premier Pro for that, check this link

            Regards

            Rohit

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              SimqpliciousAuthor
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              November 10, 2015

              ‌Thanks but that's really a workaround. shouldn't there at least be one plugin in the world that does this ?

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                Jao vdLCommunity Expert
                Community Expert
                October 4, 2016

                Thanks but that's really a workaround. shouldn't there at least be one plugin in the world that does this ?

                No, it doesn't exist. This has not been something that people do in the stills world at all. My guess is that it will become more common but currently I don't think anybody has thought about this. Also note that you can't really write a plugin that easily embeds into the Lightroom interface so that route wouldn't really work. You can make a window popup but there is no way to have some dynamically updated window such as a scope you would use in color grading video so you could immediately see the results of your slider changes. So Adobe would have to supply something like this. Therefore what I would recommend is to submit this as a feature request on http://feedback.photoshop.com . Many features requested there get implemented over time.

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