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dw24154351
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February 10, 2022
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P: Search resets when you change folder selection

  • February 10, 2022
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The workflow is a client has given you a series of image numbers that they want adjusted. This might be across a range of different days so the photos will be in different folders based on when you imported.

 

So you need to perform a search based on looking for the numbers in the filename that was exported.

 

For some strange reason, the search field is cleared midway through the workflow.

 

LRC 11.1

macOS Big Sur 11.6.3

 

Typically you are already working in a folder, so you don't have the top level folder selected. So when you do the search, it is scoped to the current folder. So if you just hit command F in Library then you aren't going to immediately start searching in the right place.

 

So you realise that the folder selection needs to be changed. Given the number of years I've been using LRC, scrolling to the top takes seconds ... it isn't instant.

 

So you select the top level folder in the side bar. You could select the current year, however in some cases you actually don't know which year the image is from, so top level is a safe bet. It might have been taken at the end of one year or at the beginning of another so selecting two year folders might be a solution. But you can't unless you do some collapsing of folder hierarchies first.

 

As soon as you click another folder, the search field is cleared and your search text is lost. You have to type it in again.

 

So the interface assumes current folder as the search scope, which in this scenario is a wrong assumption.

 

Clearing the search field because the folder change is also a wrong assumption.

 

From a UX perspective, should I really care about which folder? I really am looking for an image based on file name from anywhere in my collection.

 

Sure I get the performance enhancements by pruning the search based on folder, but search should be super fast anyway. Human recalling which folder feels like an unncessary speed bump.

 

I shouldn't need to move the mouse to the side bar and reselect the top level folder if I am wanting to search my whole collection. A control that selects everywhere should be near the place that I type (if it is really needed). 

 

6 replies

Bob Somrak
Legend
February 16, 2022

@dw24154351 

Agree the Lock icon in the Filter is a terrible design compared to other Lock icons in LrC.  They should all be the same but this one has only a minor change when locked/unlocked which makes it more difficult to quickly see what the setting is.

M4 Pro Mac Mini. 48GB
dw24154351
Known Participant
February 16, 2022

On closer inspection, there's a darkened gap on the right.

dw24154351
Known Participant
February 16, 2022

That's a padlock icon that varies from being locked to being more locked - only the height of the icon changes 😉

 

Didn't have a chance to actually figure out the difference. But enough to go "huh? who designed that icon interaction?"

JohanElzenga
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 10, 2022

1: When you start typing in the keyword field of the import dialog, Lightroom will show a pop-up list with all the existing keywords that match what you typed so far. That makes it less likely that you make typos.

 

2: When you want to search for the same thing in multiple sources, make sure you click on the little lock in the upper right corner. That will lock your search, so you can go from folder to folder and keep the search criteria. I still think that using a single collection is even easier, but this is effectively what you asked for.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga
dw24154351
Known Participant
February 10, 2022

Thanks Johan for the tip about collections and keywording. I've used collections on a per project basis or a subproject basis and have not had the need to think across multiple folders.

 

I've mostly only thought about folders since many of the projects are event driven, so everything you need to deliver on the day is in the folder. I've used smart collections to extract out specific people from a project or a way to maintain photos that need to be considered in groups.

 

I've just worked through the workflow again. This time, the search field is remembering the text that I had entered previously. If you click the folder, the search bar is hidden but when you command F again, it appears, this time remembering what I had typed before. I'll have to keep an eye out to see if it ever clears again but I'm pretty sure that I had to retype what I had just typed in. Now it is working more consistently.

 

Looking at the Keyword entry in the Import screen, it is just a text view. There's no UI that borrows from the known keywords. So it is easy to make a typo rather than select from your existing keywords.  This would encourage you to use your keywords more consistently and also apply keywords at the import step.

 

 

 

JohanElzenga
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 10, 2022

The easiest solution is to create a (temporary) collection of all the images of that client. Then you can search within that single collection so the problem does not occur. You could use the Quick Collection too, but I would think it makes more sense to just create a collection for each client. You can auto-add the images on import. You might also use a smart collection if you have keyworded the images with the client name. That is what collections are for, and that is why it makes sense to consider folders only as storage containers, not as organisation tools.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga