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October 23, 2017
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P: There needs to be a perpetual license option for enthusiast photographers

  • October 23, 2017
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In my opinion, Adobe have given up the amateur enthusiast photographer customer segment. The amount of marketing doublespeak required to "justify" Adobe's decisions points to its major flaws: Adobe promised (https://blogs.adobe.com/.../lightroom-and-the-creative-cloud....) to keep offering a perpetual license in future versions, thereby influencing buyer decision for Lightroom 6. Then they made it very hard to actually buy the perpetual license version of LR 6, and now they argue that buyers were deliberately choosing the CC version. I believe a significant number of LR users are in the same segment as me: Amateur enthusiast photographers who need a photo management and RAW developer tool, but do not use it on more than one or two devices. For those users, the choice of the perpetual license made the most sense. I am unwilling to pay a monthly amount which will add up the normal upgrade price in under a year, unless it provides me with significant advantages. So, about those advantages... Adobe argued that the 2015 CC version would regularly get new features, which would have been an incentive to choose it over the standalone LR 6 version. Looking at the list of features that have been added to LR 2015 CC, I must say that it's neither long nor that impressive. It certainly does not point to continuous development of the CC version. It would certainly haven't justified the higher cost for LR 2015 CC for me. Nevertheless, Adobe might argue that the new Classic CC version is the right choice for me, as it offers new features and performance improvements. Let's see... The Classic CC version offers some badly needed performance improvements - finally, one might say. However, those are limited to a few specific functions. If Adobe were really serious about LR's performance, they should have really worked on that in LR 5 and 6. Adobe also promise that they will continue to support and develop LR Classic CC. Just as they promised to offer a perpetual version? Honestly: As the development effort seems to have gone mostly towards the new cloud version, visible in the fact that the new LR Classic CC does not really offer that many new or improved features, how likely is it that LR Classic CC is a good choice for the next few years? Well, Adobe might say, if you want the latest and greatest, get the new CC version! Apart from the very unfortunate and confusing choice of product name, the cloud version is not even feature-complete when compared to the classic version, as I understand it. It offers cloud support, though - but I really don't need that as an amateur. Even some professionals seem to balk at the cloud-centric design. So why would I choose a less powerful, but more expensive version? To summarize: Adobe's past behaviour indicates that they can neither be trusted to support the classic CC version long enough nor that choosing the new, much more expensive cloud version will offer true benefits for amateur enthusiast photographers. The most rational choice for me seems to keep using LR 6 with the perpetual license for as long as it is viable, while researching other options for my next toolset.

22 replies

Participating Frequently
October 26, 2024

Please grant the ability to purchase versions of lightroom outright, so a creative cloud subscription is not needed in order to use it.

Participant
October 10, 2023
I need it to be 100% true. Adobe could still make money out of a perpetual licence if they priced it correctly and sold it without being update enabled as Capture One does. Currently Adobe are losing a portion of the potential market.

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PhilBurton
Inspiring
October 10, 2023

I can appreciate the desire for a perpetual license, but ultimately software is a business.  You pay for it one way or another.  Software adopting the same business model as Microsoft 365 Office software, Cable TV or streaming services, cellphone service, etc.  Water and electricity are monthly charges, also. 

I am not exactly an Adobe fanboy, but I appreciate their commitment to constant improvement of their products to leverage increasing computer hardware power. 

Sean McCormack
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 9, 2023

That's not 100% true. The catalog will still work after your subscription ends. You can still edit in Quick Develop. You can still apply Presets.

 

You lose Sync, Maps and Develop, but you can still access your files. 

 

 

Sean McCormack. Author of 'Essential Development 3'. Magazine Writer. Former Official Fuji X-Photographer.
Participant
October 9, 2023
LR might be bargain of the month for some but if you stop paying, you lose it. With my Capture One, that doesn’t happen. I have paid, as in bought it, so it is mine. Nothing more to pay. If Adobe can’t or won’t do something similar then I will never use their software again. I used to use it but now it no longer matters as they are rental only. Eventually you probably won’t need software as phones will do everything so Adobe will become irrelevant.


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Keith Reeder
Participating Frequently
October 9, 2023

"So why don't Adobe do something similar?"

 

Because they're under no obligation to, and they absolutely don't need to for any commercial reason. In other words, why should they?

 

I sincerely doubt that Adobe gives even a moment's thought to whether its offer is affordable to "amateurs" (although I have to say that what I pay per month for LightRoom + PhotoShop isn't just "affordable" to this amateur, it's the bargain of the bloody century!) - it's simply not Adobe's problem: they're making money hand-over-fist with the current licencing arrangements, and that's - quite rightly - all that matters.

 

Participant
October 9, 2023

I was with Adobe for many years until they went rental only. Since then, have bought in to Capture One Pro standalone, ie perpetual. Have done upgrades over several years which is cheaper than buying out right. However, current perpetual works well for current cameras but comes with no updates. Fine. You pay what it costs and simply don't replace your cameras with newer ones!! Lol. If you do you will have to buy latest version of the software at whatever price. I can live with that but the bottom line is that it is standalone. OK, you can rent similar C1 software that upgrades when new updates become available but I don't need that. So why don't Adobe do something similar? They would end up being able to sell to an amateur photo class who don't like renting but are happy to pay what it costs for standalone. However I am sure Adobe will ignore this suggestion!!!!!!!

Chrisn N
Inspiring
September 5, 2023

I would like to suggest please that Lightroom Classic again be made available as a stand alone product. Here are some points to think about.

 

1- Many folks just can't afford or don't like the idea of having subscription software.  

2- A stand alone product will always work; there will be no fear that if the subscription stops, then the catalogue will not work with older versions of LR.

3- Many LR 6 users would like upgrade to the new features of LR and this will be economically advantageous to Adobe.

4- If Adobe wish to make the CC subscription more attractive by having all the latest up to date features then that's fine. But if Adobe make a stand alone version of LR thats more advanced than LR6, many will consider upgrading, even if it doesn't have all the latest features oif LR classic that CC has to offer.  So Adobe will still be encouraging CC while offering a solution to those who prefer stand alone products.

 

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

Kind regards

Chris

Inspiring
July 9, 2018
I am an amateur photographer and refuse to pay for subscription. A perpetual license pays for its self over time and a subscription forces you to over pay for the same product. Its ok though, I found an alternative that is just as good. Anyone here of Affinity Photo? https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/photo/ Its cheap and offers the same capabilities as Photoshop. I asked for a perpetual license and the sale department told me they no longer have perpetual licenses. Well then I guess I no longer have Adobe products. I will be converting my family over to affinity photo as well. I am throughly enjoying it. Have fun with your corporate greed Adobe. I will no longer be apart of it! t(-_-t). 
Inspiring
January 10, 2018


You asked for feedback. I hate the subscription model. I love Lightroom. I've moved to Affinity for heavy lifting and I'll be moving off Lightroom once it becomes convenient. Adobe - you don't listen and prioritise money over customer value. Poor show.