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January 28, 2022
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P: Use in-camera photo settings as RAW defaults

  • January 28, 2022
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Background:

When importing RAW files into Lightroom, some common photo settings are read from the RAW file to set the processing defaults in the Develop module... such as white balance or camera color profile.

 

Camera manufacturer RAW processors tend to leverage most/all in-camera settings to allow RAW processing so software JPEG conversions almost exactly mimic in-camera JPEG conversion.  Lightroom has only partial coverage of these in-camera settings.  As a result, RAW files imported into LR often look different than they did when shot in-camera.

 

What I'd like:

I would like to see in-camera settings reflected as RAW processing defaults in the LR Develop module.  Ideally, if I shot RAW+JPEG, importing both files into Lightroom would have both files look identical, no matter what settings I set in camera.

 

Every manufacturer has different settings with different names, so as a couple examples of settings I often alter:

  1. In Fujifilm cameras, Highlight Tone, Shadow Tone, Contrast, Grain, and White Balance color toning, and other settings are frequently used to create a SOOC look.
  2. In Nikon cameras, Picture Controls encapsulate numerous settings, such as Sharpness, Clarity, and Saturation.

 

These defaults clearly don't replace processing, but they will reduce the gap between a "fresh" image and a "final" image, which will save considerable time in some cases.

 

Why this is important:

1) I use JPEG processing settings for visualization in-camera, especially for B&W photography.  Having the as-shot look appear intact in Lightroom makes it easier for me to cull images without having to remember what I saw in the shot and attempt to recreate it with processing (a huge time sink).

 

2) For many photos, a SOOC look is sufficient for my needs.  Today I sometimes shoot JPEG in these cases.  I use LR to cull images and then my work is done.  If I do shoot RAW, I also have to apply presets or process images to re-create the "look" of the image as-shot, which is time-consuming.

 

3) Many people hate spending a lot of time making their RAW files look acceptable, but they also hate losing image quality by shooting JPEG.  If Lightroom presented RAW files that looked like fully-baked SOOC JPEGs, many of us could abandon JPEG entirely.

 

Side note:

I originally submitted this as a bug report in another thread, as I find that the RAW files from my Z9 have very nearly 100% coverage of in-camera settings already!  I find this extremely useful, but was disappointed to find that only one important setting ("Effect Level") was not implemented in Lightroom.  The older thread is linked above for context.

22 replies

TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
January 28, 2022

Adobe and all other 3rd party raw converters will never deal with proprietary metadata. And vise versa. That's what proprietary means. Equally, the camera manufacturers cannot deal with Adobe proprietary instructions for rendering. Plus 5 Saturation is meaningless outside the Adobe raw engine even if another raw processor had a slider with the same name. Some metadata can be read such as White Balance. But WB defines a very large range of possible colors so one converter may read CTT 5500K and produce a vastly different WB rendering than another.

Rendering is subjective just like E6 film; some like Velvia, some like Agfachrome etc. All the renderings are proprietary. They don't render the scene 'as it was' but as someone wishes to express that scene and much of this is a black box.

Bigger issue IMHO for you: shooting raw plus JPEG. One, the raw, isn't ideally being exposed.

That JPEG is proprietary processing from within the camera too.

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
JohanElzenga
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Community Expert
January 28, 2022

When processing a raw file, the camera will use its built-in raw conversion software and Lightroom will use Adobe raw conversion software. As these proprietary softwares are not the same and as raw processing is more an art than an exact science, you cannot expect identical results. Adobe has created profiles like 'camera standard', but you have to understand that such profiles are Adobe profiles, designed to match the camera manufacturers profiles as closely as possible, not camera manufacturers profiles written for use in Lightroom.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga