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September 18, 2019
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P: Allow JPEGs to be embedded, to save disk space

  • September 18, 2019
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Problem:
Let's say my client sends me a 4Mb JPEG file which needs retouching for a project. I open it in Photoshop, add a couple of simple adjustment layers, and save the image as a psd. The resulting file is now 65Mb. This waste of disk space is totally unnecessary, since all I've added to the image is a couple of adjustment layers. And if I'm working on, say, a magazine containing hundreds of photos, the amount of wasted space really stacks up.

Solution:
Whenever you open a JPEG in Photoshop, it appears as an 'embedded JPEG layer'. This operates a lot like a Smart Layer. You can apply effects to it, but the layer itself is not regarded as editable bitmap data (unless you rasterize it). Then, when you save it, the original JPEG remains embedded in its original JPEG format, so if you haven't added any raster layers, the file size should be only slightly larger than the original JPEG.

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Lee JamesAuthor
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September 18, 2019
Thanks for the replies.

Lightroom is only relevant to very superficial retouching, but let's say you bring several JPEGs into a Photoshop document, convert them to smart objects, duplicate, flip, rotate, and warp them? If you save this as a Photoshop file, the file is huge.

But if all the original JPEGs were retained as JPEGs, the file size would only be a little larger than the original files. It's a much more efficient way of storing the images.

You suggested saving it as a zipped TIFF. Not only is this slow, but it only brings the size down from 66 megs to 50. Not very efficient, and you're needlessly converting a lossy file to raster data, then re-compressing it losslessly. If all the original images stayed as JPEGs, there's no wasted file space!

Which version do I use? CC 2015.

To explain why... I don't believe "newer" is necessarily better. New versions bring whole new bugs and troubles, and lately Adobe has been tending toward making its products uglier and darker, with light text on dark backgrounds, hideous splash screens, and horrors like the new "New Document" dialog. It really puts me off.

There's also the ever-increasing sense of "bloat". 2015 opens really fast. But I have actually tried CC 2018 and it took way longer to open. 2015 just works great for me and does all I need it to do. I will update if a feature gets added that I think may be useful. But that hasn't happened for a long time now.

The 10 Photoshop improvements I'm still waiting for are...

  1. Smart Masks
  2. Proper custom shortcuts (like with all Adobe's other applications)
  3. Ability to launch the program quickly without it spinning up every hard drive on the machine
  4. Small tool to show the current foreground/background color (ideally on the control panel)
  5. Way better scrolling while dragging (scrolling should speed up the nearer you go to the edge)
  6. Fractal-based upsampling tool (similar to Photozoom Pro)
  7. Custom interpolation mode for smart objects
  8. Much lighter interface colors, like classic Photoshop (new versions are so gloomy!)
  9. Custom splash screens
  10. Fix the bug which shows 16-bit documents in only 8-bit when zoomed out beyond 66.67%.
  11. (This.)
Known Participant
September 18, 2019
I was just going to say that this functionality sounds a lot more like basic lightroom work than photoshop...
Known Participant
September 18, 2019
Regardless of if the idea is implemented, there are a couple things at play here that could be exploding your file size... and what version you are using.

1. Uncompressed .psd files vs compressed psd files. See what happens if you save as a .tif with zip compression instead?
2. Ancestor metadata bug: PS CC 2017 and I think early versions of 2018 had a bug that would add 10-15mb of corrupted metadata to any saved file. Are you using the latest version of photoshop?
Inspiring
September 18, 2019