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May 12, 2018
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intel i7 8700k or ryzen 7 2700x for 4k editing?

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Which one should I get? i7 is a bit cheaper here and which will be better for Adobe dynamic link stuff? thx

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zagarskas
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July 16, 2019

To answer the question: intel i7 8700k or ryzen 7 2700x for 4k editing?

Neither. Do not edit in 4k.

ERGO: Use proxies @ 1/4 SD quality and watch either processor "rip" through the timeline

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I feel like anyone using PROXIES in the timeline might agree that Premiere is just as fast as Resolve, FCP, even Avid...

I suspect anyone trying to edit 4k footage without proxies is going to have more concerns than simply the processor...

I use Premiere.

I have an Intel system from Puget

I run 5 monitors

I plan to upgrade to RYZEN simply based off the overwhelming stats available online.

If it sucks, ill just sent it back and pop an Intel back in.

For me, the prospect of editing BMCC 4k RAW files... without proxies... even the mere mention of such a thing - is horrifying.

Some great videos to consider:

Is RYZEN Really Better For Video Editing? - YouTube this video is important. you need to decide what kind of VP you do.

Ask things like "do I need motion tracking? do I need the stabilizer feature? do I use AfterFX in my workflow?"

Yes? then go INTEL,

if no, then RYZEN is the one for you.

3 Months With Ryzen 7 - Was The Switch Worth It? - YouTube

This video is also important to consider

(its good info, however, I suspect there are other factors at play with his 3 month review, such as configs, BIOS and graphics cards)

How to Use Proxies to Edit 4k Video FAST | Adobe Premiere Pro CC Tutorial - YouTube

How to use Proxy Files to Edit SUPER FAST in Premiere Pro! - YouTube

Benchmark

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X/3937vs3958

Final thoughts:

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-9700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-3700X/4030vs4043

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June 18, 2018

As a Mac user who has used FCPX and Premiere Pro, it really isn't comparative. FCPX is a nice application that is utterly optimized for macOS. However, it lacks a lot of pro features that Premiere Pro and other NLEs don't have.

And to get a decent baseline iMac with good specs (say a 27" non-pro, 4-core it 4.2GHz, with 32GB, a 1TB SSD and Radeon 580. That is $3700 without tax and non-upgradable. Similar spec iMac Pro at $5000.

Now, you need less horsepower if you are using FCPX, but I can tell you this. I own a 13" MBP. i7 maxed out (i7, 16GB, 1TB SSD) and it is a dog in FCPX. It can render a lot faster than Premiere can on the same platform, but still a dog.

So, since video has become more consistent in my everyday, I am considering my first desktop PC build in 8 years. I have been debating Ryzen v. Intel and I am strongly leaning towards an 8700/8700k right now.

npgizzle
Participant
November 26, 2018

it would be interesting how the 9th generation Intels perform. The I5 9600k seems to be very similiar to the 8700k.

Has anyone practical experience?

anthonyr45761733
Participant
May 20, 2018

I'm trying to make the same decision as you right now, and yeah, it's a hard one.  Here are a lot of similar comments that I've heard throughout my research:

  • Adobe is better optimized for Intel/single core speed, so choose Intel.
  • Don't use premier, switch to a better editing program and get Ryzen
  • You can as much as halve your export time with the "hardware acceleration" option in premier, but it only works with some Intel Cpus, and not Ryzen at all.  So choose Intel.
  • Some say "hardware acceleration" ruins quality of clips, others disagree.
  • Even if you use Adobe, as long as you're doing a lot of multi-tasking that can use multiple cores, the Ryzen is the better choice.

As you can see, it's kind of hard to really choose "the best" CPU for Content Creation.  It seems like Intel is the best choice at the moment if you are using Adobe, *but,* what if down the line you decide to switch editing programs, or you end up doing a ton of heavy multitasking?

Yeah, I'm not helping, I know.  These are just all the questions I ask myself as I prepare to make my own choice.

Sudhir12Author
Participating Frequently
May 21, 2018

hahaha exactly i think im just gonna go with intel

Bill Gehrke
Inspiring
May 15, 2018

It just so happens that that export time is how I and you can judge the efficiency of your CPU's tuning for running Premiere.  So the lower that score is, the better the chances are that you can play a time line without loss of frames.  But it goes to show you that it all depends the media and what processing you are doing.  So your 30-40% CPU usage will only your project and media and the next guy will have more or less CPU usage

Here is a complex project with 7-layers and many different media show lots more CPU usage 40-100% on my 8-core with all cores involved.

 

gigeli82367597
Inspiring
May 15, 2018

It's pointless to try to benchmark or work with premiere pro, the faster people move on from this software the better.

Example on my system, i edit on 2 monitors so the second one is full screen preview, i get screen tearing so i enabled Vsync, fixed the tearing but now i get dropped frames even in fullhd, i disabled vsync and performance is back up again with no dropped frames but i get tearing.

So we are back to editing experience, it's really bad, as it stands right now there is no hardware recommendation that anyone can give that would work flawlessly with premiere, even 16-18 cores CPU's with Titan V can give you bad performance with simple 4k footage, this forum is a great example with numerous people with exceptional hardware complaining of just that.

Sudhir12Author
Participating Frequently
May 15, 2018

so you are saying doesnt matter which cpu you get premiere isnt optimised for any of them

gigeli82367597
Inspiring
May 14, 2018

It's quite simple, the better the hardware you get the more CPU power will sit IDLE, get a 6 core and you might get 50% load on timeline, get 8 core and you might get 30%, no matter the cpu cores you will still stabilize with 1 core in several minutes, i know, other software do this in seconds with all cores.

Right now Adobe Premiere pro is the worst optimized software you could edit on, it's a joke to benchmark anything on this.

If you have something decent like a 7700k or 6700k i don't recommend an upgrade.

Best advise would be to ditch Adobe for davinci resolve or final cut.

Bill Gehrke
Inspiring
May 14, 2018

gigeli82367597  wrote

It's quite simple, the better the hardware you get the more CPU power will sit IDLE, get a 6 core and you might get 50% load on timeline, get 8 core and you might get 30%, no matter the cpu cores you will still stabilize with 1 core in several minutes, i know, other software do this in seconds with all cores.

I hate to disagree but here is my 8-core i7-5960x running at 4.5 GHz and it runs at my full overclocking speed for 250 seconds

gigeli82367597
Inspiring
May 14, 2018

What is the most important thing to an editor ? export times ? neah

The most important thing is timeline performance, i doubt that load is on timeline unless you disabled Opencl or Cuda.

No real editor cares much about a few minutes for an export, considering we put a lot of hours into a project, a few minutes on export is not a big deal, but, when we edit and we can't cut at that millisecond because the timeline playback resembles a slideshow or we can't see in real time a color grade and we clearly see the CPU sits at 30-40% and the GPU at 60-70% then we fu...ing wonder, why can't they optimize this software while others do this exceptionally ? final cut and davinci of course.

So yeah, that load is probably at export wich most of us don't care or on timeline with Opencl/Cuda disabled.

Bill Gehrke
Inspiring
May 12, 2018

Just on a technical basis after looking at this Cinebench single threaded and multithreaded test results I would easily select the Ryzen 7 2700X processor.  We know that Puget's testing showed the i7-8700K ideal for AE with its single threaded architecture.  But this new guy the Ryzen 7 2700 X has very good single threaded performance and only slightly less that the i7-8700K, but much, much better multithreaded performance for Premiere.  So it depends on what primarily use.  Sorry, but I do not know what dynamic link software architecture uses, but as you can see even if it is single threaded technically I would still choose the Ryzen

EDIT!

I just found the Puget data for AE and the new Ryzen's.  It does not change my conclusions above for multiple Adobe CC programs, I still think I would go with the Ryzen 7 2700X 

Sudhir12Author
Participating Frequently
May 13, 2018

but a lot of ppl said intel is more optimised for adobe apps.

Ann Bens
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Community Expert
May 12, 2018

Moved from Premiere Pro CC​ to Hardware Forum

Sudhir12Author
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May 12, 2018

ok