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November 16, 2009
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To RAID or not to RAID, that is the question

  • November 16, 2009
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People often ask: Should I raid my disks?

The question is simple, unfortunately the answer is not. So here I'm going to give you another guide to help you decide when a raid array is advantageous and how to go about it. Notice that this guide also applies to SSD's, with the expection of the parts about mechanical failure.

What is a RAID?

RAID is the acronym for "Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks". The concept originated at the University of Berkely in 1987 and was intended to create large storage capacity with smaller disks without the need for very expensive and reliable disks, that were very expensive at that time, often a tenfold of smaller disks. Today prices of hard disks have fallen so much that it often is more attractive to buy a single 1 TB disk than two 500 GB disks. That is the reason that today RAID is often described as "Redundant Array of Independent Disks".

The idea behind RAID is to have a number of disks co-operate in such a way that it looks like one big disk. Note that 'Spanning' is not in any way comparable to RAID, it is just a way, like inverse partitioning, to extend the base partition to use multiple disks, without changing the method of reading and writing to that extended partition.

Why use a RAID?

Now with these lower disks prices today, why would a video editor consider a raid array? There are two reasons:

1. Redundancy (or security)

2. Performance

Notice that it can be a combination of both reasons, it is not an 'either/or' reason.

Does a video editor need RAID?

No, if the above two reasons, redundancy and performance are not relevant. Yes if either or both reasons are relevant.

Re 1. Redundancy

Every mechanical disk will eventually fail, sometimes on the first day of use, sometimes only after several years of usage. When that happens, all data on that disk are lost and the only solution is to get a new disk and recreate the data from a backup (if you have one) or through tedious and time-consuming work. If that does not bother you and you can spare the time to recreate the data that were lost, then redundancy is not an issue for you. Keep in mind that disk failures often occur at inconvenient moments, on a weekend when the shops are closed and you can't get a replacement disk, or when you have a tight deadline.

Re 2. Performance

Opponents of RAID will often say that any modern disk is fast enough for video editing and they are right, but only to a certain extent. As fill rates of disks go up, performance goes down, sometimes by 50%. As the number of disk activities on the disk go up , like accessing (reading or writing) pagefile, media cache, previews, media, project file, output file, performance goes down the drain. The more tracks you have in your project, the more strain is put on your disk. 10 tracks require 10 times the bandwidth of a single track. The more applications you have open, the more your pagefile is used. This is especially apparent on systems with limited memory.

The following chart shows how fill rates on a single disk will impact performance:

HD Tach B.jpg

Remember that I said previously the idea behind RAID is to have a number of disks co-operate in such a way that it looks like one big disk. That means a RAID will not fill up as fast as a single disk and not experience the same performance degradation.

RAID basics

Now that we have established the reasons why people may consider RAID, let's have a look at some of the basics.

Single or Multiple?

There are three methods to configure a RAID array: mirroring, striping and parity check. These are called levels and levels are subdivided in single or multiple levels, depending on the method used. A single level RAID0 is striping only and a multiple level RAID15 is a combination of mirroring (1) and parity check (5). Multiple levels are designated by combining two single levels, like a multiple RAID10, which is a combination of single level RAID0 with a single level RAID1.

Hardware or Software?

The difference is quite simple: hardware RAID controllers have their own processor and usually their own cache. Software RAID controllers use the CPU and the RAM on the motherboard. Hardware controllers are faster but also more expensive. For RAID levels without parity check like Raid0, Raid1 and Raid10 software controllers are quite good with a fast PC.

The common Promise and Highpoint cards are all software controllers that (mis)use the CPU and RAM memory. Real hardware RAID controllers all use their own IOP (I/O Processor) and cache (ever wondered why these hardware controllers are expensive?).

There are two kinds of software RAID's. One is controlled by the BIOS/drivers (like Promise/Highpoint) and the other is solely OS dependent. The first kind can be booted from, the second one can only be accessed after the OS has started. In performance terms they do not differ significantly.

For the technically inclined: Cluster size, Block size and Chunk size

In short: Cluster size applies to the partition and Block or Stripe size applies to the array.

With a cluster size of 4 KB, data are distributed across the partition in 4 KB parts. Suppose you have a 10 KB file, three full clusters will be occupied: 4 KB - 4 KB - 2 KB. The remaining 2 KB is called slackspace and can not be used by other files. With a block size (stripe) of 64 KB, data are distributed across the array disks in 64 KB parts. Suppose you have a 200 KB file, the first part of 64 KB is located on disk A, the second 64 KB is located on disk B, the third 64 KB is located on disk C and the remaining 8 KB on disk D. Here there is no slackspace, because the block size is subdivided into clusters. When working with audio/video material a large block size is faster than smaller block size. Working with smaller files a smaller block size is preferred.

Sometimes you have an option to set 'Chunk size', depending on the controller. It is the minimal size of a data request from the controller to a disk in the array and only useful when striping is used. Suppose you have a block size of 16 KB and you want to read a 1 MB file. The controller needs to read 64 times a block of 16 KB. With a chunk size of 32 KB the first two blocks will be read from the first disk, the next two blocks from the next disk, and so on. If the chunk size is 128 KB. the first 8 blocks will be read from the first disk, the next 8 block from the second disk, etcetera. Smaller chunks are advisable with smaller filer, larger chunks are better for larger (audio/video) files.

RAID Levels

For a full explanation of various RAID levels, look here: http://www.acnc.com/04_01_00/html

What are the benefits of each RAID level for video editing and what are the risks and benefits of each level to help you achieve better redundancy and/or better performance? I will try to summarize them below.

RAID0

The Band AID of RAID. There is no redundancy! There is a risk of losing all data that is a multiplier of the number of disks in the array. A 2 disk array carries twice the risk over a single disk, a X disk array carries X times the risk of losing it all.

A RAID0 is perfectly OK for data that you will not worry about if you lose them. Like pagefile, media cache, previews or rendered files. It may be a hassle if you have media files on it, because it requires recapturing, but not the end-of-the-world. It will be disastrous for project files.

Performance wise a RAID0 is almost X times as fast as a single disk, X being the number of disks in the array.

RAID1

The RAID level for the paranoid. It gives no performance gain whatsoever. It gives you redundancy, at the cost of a disk. If you are meticulous about backups and make them all the time, RAID1 may be a better solution, because you can never forget to make a backup, you can restore instantly. Remember backups require a disk as well. This RAID1 level can only be advised for the C drive IMO if you do not have any trust in the reliability of modern-day disks. It is of no use for video editing.

RAID3

The RAID level for video editors. There is redundancy! There is only a small performance hit when rebuilding an array after a disk failure due to the dedicated parity disk. There is quite a perfomance gain achieveable, but the drawback is that it requires a hardware controller from Areca. You could do worse, but apart from it being the Rolls-Royce amongst the hardware controllers, it is expensive like the car.

Performance wise it will achieve around 85% (X-1) on reads and 60% (X-1) on writes over a single disk with X being the number of disks in the array. So with a 6 disk array in RAID3, you get around 0.85x (6-1) = 425% the performance of a single disk on reads and 300% on writes.

RAID5 & RAID6

The RAID level for non-video applications with distributed parity. This makes for a somewhat severe hit in performance in case of a disk failure. The double parity in RAID6 makes it ideal for NAS applications.

The performance gain is slightly lower than with a RAID3. RAID6 requires a dedicated hardware controller, RAID5 can be run on a software controller but the CPU overhead negates to a large extent the performance gain.

RAID10

The RAID level for paranoids in a hurry. It delivers the same redundancy as RAID 1, but since it is a multilevel RAID, combined with a RAID0, delivers twice the performance of a single disk at four times the cost, apart from the controller. The main advantage is that you can have two disk failures at the same time without losing data, but what are the chances of that happening?

RAID30, 50 & 60

Just striped arrays of RAID 3, 5 or 6 which doubles the speed while keeping redundancy at the same level.

EXTRAS

RAID level 0 is striping, RAID level 1 is mirroring and RAID levels 3, 5 & 6 are parity check methods. For parity check methods, dedicated controllers offer the possibility of defining a hot-spare disk. A hot-spare disk is an extra disk that does not belong to the array, but is instantly available to take over from a failed disk in the array. Suppose you have a 6 disk RAID3 array with a single hot-spare disk and assume one disk fails. What happens? The data on the failed disk can be reconstructed in the background, while you keep working with negligeable impact on performance, to the hot-spare. In mere minutes your system is back at the performance level you were before the disk failure. Sometime later you take out the failed drive, replace it for a new drive and define that as the new hot-spare.

As stated earlier, dedicated hardware controllers use their own IOP and their own cache instead of using the memory on the mobo. The larger the cache on the controller, the better the performance, but the main benefits of cache memory are when handling random R+W activities. For sequential activities, like with video editing it does not pay to use more than 2 GB of cache maximum.

REDUNDANCY

(or security)

Not using RAID entails the risk of a drive failing and losing all data. The same applies to using RAID0 (or better said AID0), only multiplied by the number of disks in the array.

RAID1 or 10 overcomes that risk by offering a mirror, an instant backup in case of failure at high cost.

RAID3, 5 or 6 offers protection for disk failure by reconstructing the lost data in the background (1 disk for RAID3 & 5, 2 disks for RAID6) while continuing your work. This is even enhanced by the use of hot-spares (a double assurance).

PERFORMANCE

RAID0 offers the best performance increase over a single disk, followed by RAID3, then RAID5 amd finally RAID6. RAID1 does not offer any performance increase.

Hardware RAID controllers offer the best performance and the best options (like adjustable block/stripe size and hot-spares), but they are costly.

SUMMARY

If you only have 3 or 4 disks in total, forget about RAID. Set them up as individual disks, or the better alternative, get more disks for better redundancy and better performance. What does it cost today to buy an extra disk when compared to the downtime you have when a single disk fails?

If you have room for at least 4 or more disks, apart from the OS disk, consider a RAID3 if you have an Areca controller, otherwise consider a RAID5.

If you have even more disks, consider a multilevel array by striping a parity check array to form a RAID30, 50 or 60.

If you can afford the investment get an Areca controller with battery backup module (BBM) and 2 GB of cache. Avoid as much as possible the use of software raids, especially under Windows if you can.

RAID, if properly configured will give you added redundancy (or security) to protect you from disk failure while you can continue working and will give you increased performance.

Look carefully at this chart to see what a properly configured RAID can do to performance and compare it to the earlier single disk chart to see the performance difference, while taking into consideration that you can have one disks (in each array) fail at the same time without data loss:

Areca_HDTach1.jpg

Hope this helps in deciding whether RAID is worthwhile for you.

WARNING: If you have a power outage without a UPS, all bets are off.

A power outage can destroy the contents of all your disks if you don't have a proper UPS. A BBM may not be sufficient to help in that case.

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    23 replies

    Participant
    June 22, 2015

    Dear Harm,

    In my editing in Premiere, I find huge lag times when making color changes to clips in my project which contains several dozens of clips (around 8minutes of HD XAVCS footage in total). All of my videos are stored on an external WD 'My Passport for Mac' drive. I am beginning to think that this arrangement is the cause for this lag. Would getting an extermal SSD solve this issue? Would the connection require USB 3.0 or Thunderbolt to actually pay off?

    Any help is appreciated!

    cc_merchant
    Inspiring
    June 22, 2015

    Have a look at Tweakers Page - External Drives and the other pages at Tweakers Page

    Those may help to answer your question.

    September 27, 2011

    Is it a bad idea to use hard drives that are the same make and model but purchased a few months apart for a raid 0 or 5 array?

    I've got 3 Samsung HD103SJ's and I'm thinking about getting a few more, plus a 150 gb velociraptor, to experiment with some

    software raids before i take the dive into some hardware raid.

    Thanks.

    wonderspark
    Participating Frequently
    December 9, 2011

    No, so long as they're the same make and model. I have 8x WD2003FYYS disks in an 8-member RAID6 that I bought over a month or two spread from different vendors. They run great!

    Participating Frequently
    August 7, 2011

    Hi Harm, your articles have been informative. Could you offer some suggestions configuring a RAID with the following:

    Asus Rampage III Formula:  2 Sata 3 ports and 6 Sata 2 ports. Would you put the OS on one of the Sata 2 or Sata 3?

    http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1366/Rampage_III_Formula/#specifications

    I have 6 Hatachi 7k3000. (plan to add more and work around these)

    There is room for 9 HDD in the case.

    I've noticed in your set up you have 2 drives in Raid  0 off the MB, and a Raid card for another raid.

    I probably want to add a Raid card when I do this. So would it best to have the OS on a Intel Sata II plug, (1 of 6) two Hatachi in Raid 0 on Sata 6 (if it can do raid?) and the remaining 5 Sata II ports for Raid 3 with raid card.

    I suppose another option is OS on Sata III port and configure the remaining 5 or 6 Sata II ports for Raid 3. That would leave one Sata III port.

    That's the limit of my uderstanding. I havn't configured any Raid so don't know if I'm underthinking this or over thinking it.

    So far my experience in Bios the 6 Sata II ports have IDE, ACHI, or Raid. But I've read that it can be set up for both ACHI and Raid. I'm not sure how to set this up. Or the Sata III ports. For example can a Raid 3 be on both the Sata II and Sata III ports? I've read that only Sata II ports (Intel) are Raid.

    Jim also suggested a Intel utility for switching IDE, ACHI, Raid but I couldn't find it.

    Also not sure what the limitations are, for example can you have C: on Sata III, 4 Sata II ports for Raid 3 with Raid card, and 2 Sata ports for Raid 0 on MB?

    Anyway, I'm trying to figure out how the Sata II ports and Sata III ports are compatible with Raid on MB and Raid Card for editing with PP5.5.

    Thanks if anyone can offer any suggestions.

    Participating Frequently
    August 8, 2011

    I've found most of solutions in the drive set up http://forums.adobe.com/message/3023501#3023501.

    With 6-8 disk one disk as OS and the rest in Raid 3 or 5.

    Maybe this thread was created before that one becaue most of the post here are about a 4 disk set up and not about raid. I also haven't found any info about the compatibility between Sata II and Sata III ports.

    I'll be installing 5.5 later this week and look forward to working with the program and sort out the set up issues and conflicts as best I can.

    GrievousAngel
    Known Participant
    August 7, 2011

    I am not happy with the proformance of my RAID system. What do y'all know about the Raid Rocket 4320 Hardware PCIe card? I am usinmg (4) 74Gb SAS 10k in RAID3 (I think that's correct). The RAID3 is for my D drive and I boot C off of another larger SAS 10k drive. Too often, it appears like my disk system goes off to think for a few seconds before anything changes on the display!

    Has it gotten to the point that RAID is not required as much due to the larger & faster drives coming out these days?

    Suggestions please.

    Thanks,

    William

    wonderspark
    Participating Frequently
    July 29, 2011

    Greetings, Harm ~

    I'm building a new external RAID with an Areca 1880ix-12 and a Sans Digital TR8X.

    People keep telling me RAID 3 is obsolete, and I should use RAID 5. I feel like RAID 3 makes more sense, so I'm sticking with it.

    My questions are:

    1. If I'm using six 2TB WD2003FYYS (RE4) discs, does it matter if I choose RAID 3 or RAID 30? I see a lot have chosen 6x2TB RAID 3, and I wonder why they don't set up 3x2TB RAID 3 + 3x2TB RAID 3 in a RAID 0 = RAID 30. I'm guessing RAID 30 is better for more than six discs, since RAID 3 requires a minimum of three discs.

    2. Does having an extra disc in the tower standing by as a hot-swap in case of failure shorten the life of that disc significantly, given it's only spinning and not working? Having eight bays in the TR8X, I will have eight of those WD2003FYYS discs on hand at all times in case of a drive failure, leaving one of the two extra drives in the tower as a hot-swap and the other in its box to minimize wear, and I'm wondering if I should just leave both extras in, or maybe even use 7x2TB RAID 3 instead.

    Thank you!

    ~ Marcus

    Harm_Millaard
    Inspiring
    July 29, 2011

    Marcus,

    Raid3 is better suited for video work with large files, raid5 is better suited for high IOPS and many small files. Addditionally raid3 is more efficient in rebuilding an array than raid5, because of the dedicated parity versus the distributed parity.

    1. Yes it makes a difference. Assuming a transfer rate of 100 MB/s for each disk, a 6 disk raid30 will have a sustained transfer rate of around 340 MB/s and have a net storage capacity of 8 TB. A 6 disk raid3 will have a sustained transfer rate of around 425 MB/s and a net storage capacity of 10 TB.

    2. I see no use for a hot swap disk in your chassis, unless you intended a hot-spare. That makes sense. I would not worry about the wear and tear of a spinning drive. With the MTBF of modern disks, the long guarantees up to 5 years they can easily handle that.

    Participating Frequently
    July 29, 2011

    Hey Harm,

    ever wonder wny NONE of the video raid drive manufacturers offer raid 3?

    rebuild times? ok

    http://forums.adobe.com/message/3461646#3461646

    Scott

    screeen
    Inspiring
    May 9, 2011

    This was written a while back, and I am wondering if it is a viable question still; in other words - my question is: is RAIDing still considered necessary for video editing? And if so, can someone suggest a Raid Controller?

    This is intended for a machine on which i'd edit video that would go on the web, (hence NOT HD), though it needs to be decent quality. And, the machine would need to be good for pixel and vector graphics creation, as well as Flash, which, i believe are less demanding.

    thanks.

    Participating Frequently
    May 9, 2011

    raid or not is determined by your codecs and redundacy needs

    EG: DV/HDV does not need raid for performance, nor would it benefit if you did raid but you may want it for redundacy (nothing beats an external back up regardless)

    AVCHD: can squeak by without it but vastly better with. however going from 2 x 2 drive raid 0 to 2 x 4 drive raid 0 gains you nothing and is a waste (or 8 drive raid 3,5,6) with the later offering rundancy at least.

    Red 4K  and uncomcompressed has to have raid and a big one.

    so cant answer your question without knowing what codec

    Scott

    ADK

    screeen
    Inspiring
    May 10, 2011

    hi Scott. Thanks for your reply.

    Maybe i should say a bit about myself in order to remove any expectation that i should in fact comprehend that reply, or to  save face (my own, of course), regarding my lack in hardware savvyness.

    That is, i am struggling to understand your comments because i am quite devoid of technical/hardware experience and knowlege, possibly because of the type of video work that i've been doing, possibley because of Apple (: -  Macintosh doesn't tender much in terms of enabling one to specialize/or setup a machine; for a long while i was using Final Cut Pro/Studio, on a variety of Macs, shooting on a Sony Semi-Professional camera (bought in the year 2000,) and using a DSR-11 tape for digitizing the footage, to make 2-9 minute video art clips.

    After that, i downgraded the quality of my output (because my DSR-11 broke down), so i was using an old digital Olypus camera (c-5050) which produces QuickTime files, editing those in Final Cut to make my little movies, which i would convert to flv (Flash video), to incorporate in interactive swf files (small-web-file that's exported via Flash -  for anyone who doesn't know).

    At this time, i seek to build a robust machine, to handle commercial quality video output (ideally), along with my programming (Flash ActionScript) and designing aspirations (Illustrator graphics).

    So, going over your reply:

    if I understand correctly, you suggest that RAIDing benefits redundancy. Not sure what you mean by redundancy here, is it that during compression and export to movies, after editing a sequence, the files which are used in the edited sequence will maintain their quality - detail due to redundancy? And how does that relate to backing up data.

    Please excuse my ineptitude - am quite aware of it here, my knowlege about RAIDing is new and my source is YouTube such as - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpvUQUIzNDA&feature=related

    Following  Generic Guideline for Disk Setup  (http://forums.adobe.com/message/3663705#3663705)

    it seems that RAID5 is ultimately better than RAID0, a discussion, by the way, that certainly pertains to the question of RAIDing at all, but seems to present so many threads of info and dilemma among the participants, that i keep losing focus, though it seems an productive source for me, in finalizing my decision about RAIDing or NOT.

    Re: your comment on "Red 4K  and uncomcompressed" - again, sorry, no idea what that is, is that a codec?

    And as for which codec i'm using, i hope by now you "see" that i'm unable to answer that. (I do NOT have a proper editing machine as yet.)

    I would greatly appreciate your patience, as that of any other participant, in helping me educate sufficiently in order to decide on the components for the    new machine which i intend to build.

    Thanks again,

    best

    Participating Frequently
    February 3, 2011

    Harm, I am looking forward to change my current disk set up because I have got lots of stock footage I have collected over the past four years. My current disk set is 1.5 tb x 2 in BIOS Raid 0 and 1.5tb x 2 in a TB 32 Raid 0 esata.

                                            1)     BIOS RAID 0 3TB partitioned into C & D

                                                                                                  C= 746GB (OS, program files, pagefile)

                                                                                                  D=2048 (Preview, Exports, Cache, projects)

                                           2)     Mapower TB32 3TB RAID 0 partitioned into E & F

                                                                                                  E=1800GB (Media)

                                                                                                  F=  900GB (Stock)

    I have got an offline 2TB which I regularly use to backup any content that I generate on my workstation, including all the stock footage.I have had this set up from December 2010 when I upgraded to Win 7 Pro. Since then I am having problems with the TB32. Firstly what happened is that the TB32 disappeared from windows explorer when I left my computer idle for some time. I looked for it in disk management only to discover the two partition appearing as unallocated, I was really surprised with this.I took it to my computer shop, who only told me that one of the drivers have failed. The drives are just over one year old, so I took them apart and tested them and formatted only to discover that they were working, but in the process lost all the data that was on the drives. I put them back again to raid 0 and deleted the partitions which appeared again despite the formatting. I then created new current partitions and everything started to waork again. A couple of days they were unallocated again, but this time I selected offline in disk management and then online and the partition came back again.

    Now the major problem is that when I am editing in Premiere CS5, if I leave it idle and come back after about some time the Premeire will crash and I have to relaunch it again, or the TB 32 will just go to sleep and disappear even in computer management which means I will have to switch it off and on again for it to come back to life. I never had these problems with Vista biz 64, so I am not sure what really is causing that. In vista I had two non raid internal HDDs.

    But anyway I have decided to move on and ditch the TB32 because it appears to be slow.. not sure but when I copy files from my internal raid the speeds ranges between 130Mbps t0 60 at times. Since my workstation HP XW6600 is limited to 2 3.5" drives I can change it to 3 2.5" then I can use 1 for C drive and then RAID 0 for the other two, maybe hardware if I get a decent card. Externally I will haul my current 4 1.5s tb to create RAID 5 with a total of 4.5tbs which I will partition appropriately. The next thing now is to get a decent Raid 5 enclosure and the one I can afford is listed HERE . A good enclosure which can oprotect my data in case of power cut is greatly appreciated, because I am always thinking that the TB32 might have suffered a power cut and corrupted my data.

    My system have got dual quad xeon (8 virtual cores) 24GB RAM and startech (silicon) card for esata and a MatroX RT X2 and GTX 285 2GB, Win 7 Pro and CS5 PP.

    Participating Frequently
    March 7, 2011

    Hey Ham,


    Thanks for all your hard work and help on the forum. Great info. Now I come to you for some help and recommendation for performance/protection and backup solution. I am editing with Premiere Pro & After Effects CS5 using AVCHD from my GH2. I have a 27" iMac 2.8Ghz Intel Core i7 16GB Ram 1067 MHZ DDR3 ATI Radeon HD 4850.

    Currently I have:


    - a RAID 0 set up with a 2TB Lacie 2big Quadra on a FireWire 800 for editing video (Media Files, Scratch Disk)
    - a 1TB Lacie Rugged XL for Time Machine backup
    - a  2TB Internal Hitachi 7200RPM HD that stores my (OS, Applications, Personal Files, Project Files) with 400GB used up so far (plan to keep that to 1TB max since I've been told it bogs down your computer once you got past the half way mark of space)


    However, something doesn't feel right to me about this set up. Not sure what it is.

    I have been doing tons of research and I'm debating if I need to get something else. And came up with this list. Or even doing an OWC Turnkey Upgrade (http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/turnkey/iMac_2010_27/add_eSATA) and adding an eSTATA port. Do you think this is necessary for the type of editing I'm doing with AVCHD and I won't be doing 10 tracks.


    New list:


    120 GB OWC Mercury Extreme Pro SSD (OS & Applications) --> as my internal HD (OWC Turnkey Upgrade replacement)


    Elite-Al Pro Performance RAID 0+1 | 2.0TB Stripe+Mirror (2000GB+2000GB)  (Media/Projects & Previews/Exports)

    - and then once that is full I was thinking of swapping HD's and storing it manually with some internal drive cases (http://www.hudzee.com/)
    -  then use thisNewerTech Voyager Q- Quad Interface SATA 2.5" & 3.5"  Hard Drive Docking Solution to see what is on the backup drives later on


    Where would Pagefile and Media Cache go?

    Mercury Elite-Al Pro RAID SAFE 2TB (1TB x 2) 7200RPM 64MB (to back up personal files)


    I'm a little lost and confused. I just want something that offers speed, reliability and backup. Nothing over kill. Just to get the job done.

    Participating Frequently
    March 18, 2011

    Can someone please help me out with my RAID/BACKUP solution and answer the above message posting. PLEASE! AND THANK YOU!

    Participant
    December 23, 2010

    Looking for recommendations on RAID set up:

    I have CS5 running on an I7 OC to 3.3 mhz with 12 gb of RAM, Vista 64. I just lost one HDD out of my three drive set up. 1= 1TB non-raid OS and programs 2=1TB raid 0 vol.1 3=1TB raid 0 vol.2 (I know raid 0 is bad) I had minimal loss of data but now I am ready to take the next step. I usually only edit about 3-10 minute shorts all in HD from the canon 5D mkII. This usually translates to 60 minutes of HD footage and 100 stills needing to be used at a time for any project. I am looking for a cheap but fast and secure way to store my projects. I am thinking about an areca or adaptec controller with 4 disks in RAID 10 in an external enclosure that could be updated later. I would be able to move all projects and file to a single non raid external/ NAS after completion. I went with RAID 10 because of the rebuild time and redundancy yet it will offer me the speed of my RAID 0 set up that failed. My questions are on how to best implement this solution.

    1. What kind of actual I/O speed do I need for editing in full resolution? Short projects so render times and read write were never an issue with RAID 0.

    2. How does the External Attached Storage work? i.e. external box has it's own controller or do I need a controller in the WS as well or can I just plug it straight to the eSATA port on my ASUS Sabertooth X58 mobo?  I am getting confused by the port multipliers and the HBA's described on the ARECA site.

    Thanks in advance for the forums help..

    Participant
    December 17, 2010

    hi harm

    could you tell me what you think about my configuration and the way i use it ive got 4 hard disk ?

    1) wd 2,5size  velociraptor 300 gb 10000rpm partion in 2 (150gb for win 7 and program and 150gb for archivie)

    2) wd 500  gb 7200rpm that i use only  for premiere project whit video file that i've import

    3) wd 500 gb 7200rpm that i use for rendering of the premiere project

    4(wd 1t b7200 rpm that i've partioned in 2 (500gb for archivie file music, photo, ecc and another 500gb i use for different file word ecc)

    Dou you think it's usefull put premiere project in one hard disk and the rendering in another one or is better to put them in raid 0 ?

    or there is a best way to use my drive?   maybe i have to create a little partion of the 1tb and use it for file pagging?

    after tomorrow i'll format my pc and re-installing win 7 and adobe suite so it will be an opportunity for me to change my configuration

    thank

    silvio

    Harm_Millaard
    Inspiring
    December 19, 2010
    Known Participant
    December 22, 2010

    hello,

    i just posted in PPro cs5 and it got bumped to the 'hardware' forum

    and so i've read this thread and noticed Harm touching on 'cluster size'

    which is the subject of my post...

    for HDD (not SSD)  what is the best cluster size for non OS disks, non pagefile disks?

    For disks like video assets and audio files and final renders

    wouldn't a larger cluster size result in faster/ more efficient performance?

    thank you in advance,

    jeffrey

    Participant
    December 13, 2010

    Excellent post.  I have learned much from this post.  I have a much better appreciation of what I am planning to implement.  I guess I am "paranoid on speed" as I plan on 1+0.  Here is what I have planned:

    OS drive:  Western Digital VelociRaptor WD6000HLHX 600GB 10000 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive.  I will be running Windows 7 ultimate 64 bit, not pro as recommended, as I purchased this at a very discounted rate.

    Working drives:  SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3R HE103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive.  I originally went with WD black, but read many issues with TLER.  As such, I will be using the Spinpoint f3R (not F3) - I will pay a few dollars more for the higher grade.  These will be configured in raid 1+0.  Any issues with Samsung F3R running in Raid 1+0?  I did not go with the WD RE4 due to the cost increase vs. Spinpoint.

    The 1+0 will done using the MOBO (MSI XPower Big Bang) as now I understand there is not much advantage in a separate hardware controller for my situation.  Here is what I do not quite understand yet after reading all the posts.  As I will be running raid 1+0 on the 4 "working / storage" drives, not the OS drive, is all the "configuration" data stored in the BIOS, or is some stored in the OS?  As I am not planning on using any redundancy Raid on the OS drive, will this cause issues if my OS drive crashes and needs to be rebuilt?  Will it lose pertinent data needed to keep the raid integrity intact?  I will be doing an Acronis backup monthly on the OS drive however.  Will this be adequate?

    Thanks in advance.

    ECBowen
    Inspiring
    December 16, 2010

    The raid MetaData is stored on the drives in the volume. This is how you can migrate raids from 1 system to another even changing controllers sometimes. Although the changing controller part is sketchy and may not work. It depends what chip the previous controller was using and the drivers for the new raid controller. They have to allow importing foreign configurations. So to answer your question, the raids will be fine if the OS fails.

    Eric

    ADK

    Participant
    December 17, 2010

    Thank you - I am going to move forward with the 10 as described.