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March 16, 2025
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Achieving proper color on exported video is too confusing

  • March 16, 2025
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Wow what a great piece of software, where you cant render orginal lightning in a video without reading for two days on the internet to find a solluion.

 

Mod note: Response was branched and moved. The title was changed.

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    Kevin-Monahan
    Community Manager
    Community Manager
    March 17, 2025

    Dear @unique_Explorer8196,

    Though the post was off topic for the thread, I do agree with you. It used to bed much simpler when the world was only rec.709. Even I get confused on all these things. I have asked for an easy button or some kind of smart intelligence to help users like us. That does not exist yet, even though it should! Right now, the only way I can envision that is through a series of around fifteen dialog boxes containing choices centered around acquistion, monitoring, export, player app choice, deilvery standard (YouTube? Or something else? On Mac? On PC? etc.) and on which kind of screen (and is it HDR compatible?). Sounds very scary!

    As you mentioned in another post, in your case, it was all about using a different player app. QuickTime is the most popular monitoring app, but it is also one of the worst choices when it comes to comparing color.

    Currently, HDR is a complete minefield but the Premiere Pro UI has been adapting towards trying to simplify the issues as much as possible. Please add any suggestions in our Ideas forum, if you would still like to use Premiere Pro.

     

    As @R Neil Haugen suggests, it is not Adobe's fault that color standards have had tectonic changes over the past five years. These created unforeseen problems, many of which were caused by the adoption of HDR on mobile devices done by some companies. People not needing HDR were forced into an HDR workflow and that was rather an abrupt change I think. That was the turning point where we all had to start dealing with the complexities of HDR post-production whether we liked it (or even needed it) or not. Sorry about that!

     

    Cheers,
    Kevin

     

    Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community & Engagement Strategist – Pro Video and Audio
    R Neil Haugen
    Legend
    March 16, 2025

    What?

     

    We don't live in a one size only color space anymore. That time is gone.

     

    It's not Adobe or BlackMagic or Avid's fault that cameras have a ton of different color space and dynamic ranges these days.

     

    Edit: And for this thread in particular, when the creator of the video file does something explicitly wrong ... such as setting Rec.709 YUV (technically Y/Cb-Cr) capture to Full range rather than the specified "limited" range for all YUV Rec.709 files ... Premiere can't be expected to know to fix the mistake for you. It must be set to assume the maker knew what they were doing.

     

    Setting the camera to Full does not get any more data to the image file. It's just encoded differently. And as noted in a couple posts above this, display devices are designed and set to accept Rec.709 YUV files and 'expand' on display to full. Ergo, the image is suddenly too dark. Crushed shadows, clipped highlights.

     

    Due to user error.

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
    Participant
    March 16, 2025

    I uninstalled all Adobe software. To many gliches, works like a 100 year old car. Just No.

    R Neil Haugen
    Legend
    March 17, 2025

    In any video post software, you will have to do things to control color management. Period.

     

    I use BlackMagic's Resolve on a daily basis, have for years, and that has even a ton more CM controls. And on the BM forums, many new users have tried to set things to what 'seems' right but actually completetely screwed things up. And 'we' experienced ones have to help them get it sorted.

     

    I agree with Kevin ... it would be nice if there was a simple way. I don't really see that coming though. The devices and media just keep getting more complex and divergent.

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...