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nubnubbud
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November 30, 2022
Question

those Uservoice forums are going away, like the After Effects one did

  • November 30, 2022
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@R Neil Haugen 
sadly, according to the link you posted, those forums are going away, like the After Effects one did, shortly after some influencers began badmouthing after effects, encoder, and premiere. I'm not sure if it's connected, but it is odd they're the only three that are going away. At the same time, Audition, a very old program that is arguably the least visibly worked on and used (I've never seen someone actively use it in a production besides cleaning up a clip here or there), remains. it's all very confusing and worrying that the places where users can communicate with the ones that make the programs are being removed.

it suggests Adobe is considering sunsetting the software, or at the very least, is no longer open for development leads or bug fixes. As you said, these are user-to-user forums. Echo chambers, on the developer or user side, aren't exactly productive for maintaining a program or a trusting user base.

 

Mod note: your post was moved to its thread. The title of your post was changed to reflect the topic.

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    Warren Heaton
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    December 3, 2022

    Let's keep this simple:  Performace is fuild (i.e. not a disaster) in Premiere Pro if you have a well designed workflow built around an intermediate CODEC on a workstation that's been configured for said workflow.  

    Kevin J. Monahan Jr.
    Community Manager
    Community Manager
    December 3, 2022

    I love this simple explanation, Warren. Editing H.264 and HEVC natively is garbage. I like taking advantage of smart rendering for the main purpose of fixing errors after watching the show. I also like the performance a lot more. Most editors might not know about this stuff, even though experts espouse that workflow.

     

    Why I like ProRes: Usually, on watch down, I will find stupid mistakes (annoying typos!) that need fixing. These fixes are only a second long or so. With smart rendering, I rerender that small section, and my show render goes faster than rerendering in H.264, as it is a copying process rather than an encoding one. I save a lot of time this way.

     

    As a former linear editor, I appreciate playback performance, and intermediate codecs come close to that real-time expectation. Delays in playback might not annoy some, but a delay in playing back a stream or two of video or video with a simple effect bothers me. Intermediate codecs avoid that issue.

     

    I set up a transcode on ingest for Project Settings and get to work immediately, as transcodes happen in the background with Media Encoder. Similarly, you can create proxies as you begin a project using an intermediate codec. You see FCPX creating proxies on ingest by default. You can do the same in Premiere Pro; however, it is not a default. Resolve, and other NLEs have the option too.

     

    Have a good weekend!
    Kevin

    Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community and Engagement Strategist – Adobe Pro Video and Audio
    R Neil Haugen
    Legend
    November 30, 2022

    You have a ton of personal assumptions there, which mostly aren't even close.

     

    They have millions of daily users of Premiere, quite a lot of Ae and Au. The changes they're making to their feedback setup are totally an attempt to improve the system. And as I've been told this does mean that, like the Public Beta forums, more devs will be "around" here, that's all to the good.

     

    I think the first forum to get the new bug/idea bits was Photoshop, and they've been steadily rolling that out to other apps over the last few months.

     

    Audition is not only used a ton also, but the Au folks are the complete audio staffing for the entire Adobe DVA group ... digital video/audio apps. So the audio in Premiere and Ae are subsets of the audio available in Au, and all done by the same people.

     

    Yes, in a LOT of network/longform shops, ProTools is still the big dog of audio. For most others ... ProTools isn't a necessary thing at all.

     

    I do wish Au had some midi capabilities, but that's my only complaint with it. I do love the integration with Pr.

     

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
    R Neil Haugen
    Legend
    November 30, 2022

    And ... if you're running an Nvidia GPU, there's a ton of problem with any driver past 517.40. Green screens or partial green screens, stuttering playback, all sorts of things.

     

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
    Warren Heaton
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    November 30, 2022

    @nubnubbud 

     

    The UserVoice for Premiere Pro has moved to this forum like Photoshop and After Effects.  Any UserVoice posts with a minimum vote count (I think it's 30 or more votes) has been migrated.

     

    It's entirely possible to deliver content daily with Premiere Pro.  Hardware configuration, software configuration, and workflow are key.  There's a wealth of knowledge on all three topics in these forums.

     

     

    nubnubbud
    nubnubbudAuthor
    Inspiring
    November 30, 2022

    I know, a number of mine were migrated, but thousands of users didn't get a single migrated post. it's horrible, like they just don't matter to adobe.

    it's possible, yes. but even windows movie maker can export movies in minutes, not half an hour or more. I refuse to keep myself in an echo chamber, and I realize that makes me devil's advocate, but this is the only program where that sentiment would stand;
    it's possible, but requires hacks, internal knowledge, knowing hardware specs, etc. On other programs, if a render takes half an hour, you made a mistake, or you're using incredibly heavy effects and are prepared to take a coffee break because you did it on purpose.

    I want adobe's suite to do well. I really want it to be worth my money- but their competition is $300 for a perpetual VFX, color grading, and editing suite lisence.

    I guess what I'm saying is "possible" for premiere is "basic and assumed functionality" for other programs, and adobe users are getting sick of paying more for less, just so their workflow remains intact.

    R Neil Haugen
    Legend
    December 1, 2022

    First, I care mostly about practical. I've lived in my own business over 40 years by getting images out to the nice people what pay our bills, and that's more important than the tools involved. Which are just tools ... fancy hammers. I don't care who makes them, if it works, it's fine. If not, it ain't.

     

    You have to use what works for you at this time with your media, effects, and deliverables needs. Period. Whatever app or tool that is.

     

    Second ... at this time, the variability of performance between users on similar systems is both puzzling and incredibly frustrating. In both this and Resolve, as I work in that app daily, and teach (and learn) from working colorists based either in Resolve or Baselight. I'm on the Resolve and LGG forums daily.

     

    For direct example, my 24-core Ryzen, 128GB of RAM, 2080Ti rig is screaming along now, getting the best performance I've had in Premiere in years. It's also doing very well in Resolve. But another user has posted here with such a similar rig it must also be a Puget build, and he was having issue after issue. What the ...? I just don't get what the variable would be to cause that.

     

    My Acer Predator Triton 500 laptop with the cute little lappy 2080 is also doing very well with 2023. But some others with newer laptops with a ton more power are getting hangups. Again, why? No freaking clue.

     

    I wish any of us had a magic crystal to sort this out, but it doesn't seem to be lying around anywhere. Which really, really irks me.

     

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...