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KevinMByers
KevinMByers
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November 7, 2022
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Advice/Question for Live Stage Monitoring - Rehearsal Recording Setup (TL;DR at the bottom)

  • November 7, 2022
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Please note: I apologize for any misuse of terminology, I'm very new to this.

 

Hi all,

 

So, outside of recording a few voiceovers, and guitar tracks for things; Audition is fairly new software to me, so I have a question about/could use some advice on what I'm trying to do here.

Background: I built a 16-channel mobile recording rig that I could easily carry around to rehearsal and live sessions for the purpose of demoing songs, and live video with better sound.

 

This is the aforementioned beast:

 

The extent to which we've used it so far has been two overhead drum mics, a single guitar mic, and a single room mic with a separate mixer feeding the guitar into our IEMs.

 

I realized that we should (theoretically) be able to use the Audition mixer to live monitor everything we're recording when we're finally mic'd up and live demoing, so I embarked on the journey of figuring that out and this is as far as I got using the Audition resources Adobe has on it's site.

 

I was hoping someone might be able to confirm/deny whether or not this should work (we're not getting together for another few weeks, so testing immediately isn't an option).

Please note: I currently have all bus tracks set to mono for simplicity's sake, while I figure this out.

 

Step 1: Send all drum tracks to a single Bus

 

Step 2: Create individual bus tracks for each out. Assign to corresponding hardware outs.

 

Step 3: Assign sends to each bus as needed

 

Now, as far as I've been able to tell, but not test (need my cables to come in), this should allow me to send the full mix to each individual out.

 

From what I've gathered: You can't use the sliders to adjust the send volumes (which is too bad since my travel machine is a Surface Pro, so that would make things extremely convenient), you have to use the gain to do this. Is this correct?

 

I've tried google machine to see if I could find any resources for this, specifically, but I wasn't able to come up with anything (likely due to not using the correct terminology).

 

If anyone can tell me if this looks right, or has any advice/resources on what I'm trying to do it would be much appreciated.

 

Thanks!
-K

 

(TL;DR - Trying to route a live recording setup to IEMs for stage monitoring.

 

Am I on the right track based on the provided screen caps, or way off?

 

I haven't been able to find many resources on this specifically. Does anyone know of any?

 

Can send volume only be adjusted via Gain control "knobs" and not the sliders?)

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SteveG_AudioMasters_
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SteveG_AudioMasters_Community Expert
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November 7, 2022

What device are you using as an interface to your computer? It's not clear from the picture.

KevinMByers
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November 7, 2022

Beringer UMC1820.

 

 

SteveG_AudioMasters_
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SteveG_AudioMasters_Community Expert
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November 7, 2022

Okay - I'm afraid that I'm not going to be the bearer of good news... Your huge problem with using Audition as a monitor mixer is that you will get completely unacceptable latency delay - which is why all interfaces have a 'monitor' mix knob on them as a rule. This routes any inputs you want to monitor to the headphone output directly in the interface, so that the latency delay - which is unavoidably caused by Analog to digital conversion/passing through the software/digital to analog reconversion - doesn't intervene in what you're hearing. Behringer sort-of warn you about this on their site in slightly broken English:

"Convenient Monitoring

The UMC1820 mix control allows zero-latency direct monitoring, which means musicians can experience their performance clearly and with no delay or lag in the returning signal, resulting in a better performance and recording. The 2 powerful phones outputs have its own level control and Monitor A/B source select for DJ-style cueing."

 

Whereas I think that the routing you suggest might work in theory, (although you have also to find the individual inputs for each track before they can be recorded - 'default stereo input' is nowhere in it!) you have another thing going against you as well - you only have a USB2 connection to your computer, and with a lot of I/O, it's going to be even slower.

 

What people normally do in this situation is to use Audition as the equivalent of a HD recorder. So no monitoring at all, but a straightforward means of recording rehearsals or gigs, for post-production afterwards. In practice there is very little you can do with routing signals in and out of Audition that is of practical value, I'm afraid. And that goes for all audio software; it's not the software that's the problem, but the inevitable hardware delays.

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