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June 3, 2019
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Audio Interface For Discrete Monitoring

  • June 3, 2019
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Hello,

I am looking for an audio Interface for the purposes of monitoring outputs to mix tracks in Audition.  Most of the products I see available are heavily weighted towards sending a signal into the computer for the purposes or recording.

However my primary focus is discrete audio output.  As a minimum I will require 6 channels (in order to mix 5.1) but 8 or even 10 would be a bonus for future proofing (if ever I wanted to dabble at 7.1 mix or something else crazy).  I'm not an audiophile so I'm not 'in tune' as I'm sure all of you are, so I'm looking for something tangible I can understand rather than: "just spend $2000 on RME ###### that's the best.". Additionally I have no delusions of grandeur about mixing 5.1; I don't need any lecturing please I'm just looking for guidance and attempting to outlay my goals so that you can better understand and inform me, even if I use the system for only 3 channel to start with it's nice to have that future proofing.

Secondary to that, I also would prefer to not have unusable inputs/pre-amps/ADC/DAC etc, I may perhaps use this for one or two channel recording (but I certainly don't need 32 channels like every unit seems to have).  I do have external mixer/recorders (background of independent motion pictures/digital recording), but in the off chance I want to record Foley on the system or who knows, have a musician friend come over and play around it's a nice feature to not lose sight of.  If there's an audio output only device, I would certainly trade off the ability to input for the dedication and simplicity, but I'm not finding that anywhere.

Lastly, it would be great to have at least one headphone 6.3mm (1/4 TRS) or at least 3.5mm off the front panel, separate dedicated volume knob for phones and main monitor outputs (all of them in one dial).  I will just have this on a desk not in a rack but I can work with/custom make any solution so that is not an issue.  For connectivity, well that's a whole other topic in itself, I use Windows PC and my current editing system has USB3, esata, (and I believe a FireWire something, I don't use it), however I'm not adverted to going with Thunderbolt or PCIE if that's required.

Alright I believe I have covered everything, thank you for your time.

P.S.  I will also be looking at getting some powered monitors, any suggestions/recommendations would be appreciated.

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_durin_
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June 3, 2019

Cinema Sound recently did a great studio monitor showdown at https://www.cinemasound.com/showdown-the-best-nearfield-monitor-the-results-will-shock-you/   While no Yamaha speakers were included in the comparison, you may get a good sense of budget vs. performance expectations.

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June 3, 2019

Thank you durin, that is a very indepth post; I think I understood 10% of it lol.

So they recommend the JBL LSR 305 MKII, which are very inexpensive.  Hmph, I suppose I must concede, I don't like JBL, and I really liked the white Yamaha's, but quality is more important than my opinion.

SteveG_AudioMasters_
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June 3, 2019

Iceking007  wrote

I'm not an audiophile so I'm not 'in tune' as I'm sure all of you are, so I'm looking for something tangible I can understand rather than: "just spend $2000 on RME ###### that's the best.". Additionally I have no delusions of grandeur about mixing 5.1; I don't need any lecturing please I'm just looking for guidance and attempting to outlay my goals so that you can better understand and inform me, even if I use the system for only 3 channel to start with it's nice to have that future proofing.

Secondary to that, I also would prefer to not have unusable inputs/pre-amps/ADC/DAC etc, I may perhaps use this for one or two channel recording (but I certainly don't need 32 channels like every unit seems to have).

I am moderately confident (having had yet another look at this) that unfortunately the box you want simply doesn't exist, or if it does, it's a standalone boutique D-A converter, probably with no headphone output, and will cost about $10k+...

The box that's got closest is, you might not be surprised, an RME one, but it doesn't cost $2k - currently £745 here. It's the Fireface UC. You get the discrete outputs, and you have headphone monitoring. There's not a huge amount of obvious input facilities to get alarmed about either. If you want more outputs, then another eight can be arranged via the ADAT output, and there are a couple of cheap fan-out boxes that will facilitate this with ease - think Behringer ADA8200, etc.

And all RME's stuff is ultra-reliable; I use a couple of Fireface UFCs, in post and for location recording. Never had a single problem with either of them. Because of the way the matrixing works, you have loads of flexibility; you can route pretty much anything anywhere.

Of course if you actually want to spend $2k+ then the firm to look at is Apogee - the Symphony I/O Mk II. Just ignore the inputs...

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June 3, 2019

Yes I've been looking at that Fireface unit also, as well as:

Zoom UAC-8 (I'm leaning towards this despite not a heavy following of the Zoom products)

Tascam US 20x20 or 16x8

Roland AU1610

Is kinda my list at the moment.  I have been looking at PCIE cards (you'd think it'd be simple and relatively inexpensive but I guess there's no market for my needs) but all the PCIe cards go to DB pins or other standards and then you need another $1500-###### for a breakout box so to speak.

If I had the money I'd go with an SPL unit, I'd like to stay under $1000 CAD which sadly isn't much at all.

I did come across this (https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/HDSP9632--rme-hammerfall-hdsp-9632)  which might be suitable but even then it's about the same price point as what I'm looking at, but with less features and no appeal/tactile controls.

I'm also seriously considering going with the Yamaha studio monitors.  They seem to be touted as being very flat and great for this type of work, an "industry standard"; plus they are quite affordable.

Hopefully I get more input, doesn't anyone mix anything other than stereo?

(Even so stereo would have a basis of knowledge... you have to connect your monitors somehow)

Thank you ACP.

SteveG_AudioMasters_
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June 3, 2019

Iceking007  wrote

I'm also seriously considering going with the Yamaha studio monitors.  They seem to be touted as being very flat and great for this type of work, an "industry standard"; plus they are quite affordable.

Hmm... I didn't mention monitors at all, and it's a minefield. Dealing with your point first - flatness as such is the least of your worries; your room will rapidly see to that. Having a suitable room for them, and positioning them correctly within it will make far more difference than the actual degree of 'flatness', which your room will screw around with probably more than you realise.

What monitor speakers are supposed to do, above all else, is to be truthful. And really, that's what you are paying for. And the one thing that the Yamahas aren't that good at, I'm afraid, is absolute truthfulness. What was said about the original NS10's (which did actually have some good technical points) was that if you could get a mix to sound good on them, it would sound absolutely great on anything else! Which meant that they tended to emphasise those things in a mix (mostly in the midrange) that people found disturbing (without actually realising it), and prompted you to do something about them. And this is why a lot of people have them; not as main monitors but as a final check, as they can be a bit painful to work with all of the time. Ear fatigue sets in earlier with them than most monitors!

The other thing about monitors is that ideally, you should try them in your room first, and see what your initial feelings are. The way that everybody 'learns' monitors is to play tracks that you already know sound good, on them. This can be very revealing, and cause people not infrequently to change their minds about them. I had a 'torture test' CD that I used to evaluate speakers and rooms, and I think that if you're serious about this, then create one of your own and at least take it down to your dealer, and ask to be able to play it. Even in an acoustically sub-optimal shop you'll find surprising differences between them. But fundamentally, what monitors are supposed to do is to reveal what's really there, and not massage it away like most hi-fi speakers do.

You will not be surprised though to hear that pretty much, you get what you pay for; there are very few real bargains to be had.

At this point, people usually ask what I use, so I'll preempt you by saying that in post, it's a pair of Neumann KH420G's in an acoustically controlled environment. I also have a pair of old Tannoy Devons downstairs, and Adam P11A's for location monitoring. Indeed, you could do a lot worse than consider the latest version of the Adams - the A7X. They can be picked up for about the price you should be paying for entry-level monitoring. The other monitors that you pretty much can't go wrong with are Genelecs, but they tend to cost a bit.

My serious advice is to save up a bit, and initially get something better than the Yamahas - buy them second!