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for When the Adobe Audition 4

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October 19, 2008
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hi is there any information about AA4, for when and the new fonctionnalities ?

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MTgreaterthanEV

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1 really, truly, hope that mac users and radio stations and dj's burn in hell for this one.

Audition, has the immediate potential to be the best multitrack recording software in the industry, for PC

Mac's suck, they are just aweful., yet this k!$$4SS steve still supports this bogus move to cater to mac users.

Radio people don't even need anything else, Audition EV and MT has everything they need RIGHT NOW, so why cater to them?? They are not even going to need to buy AA4 because AA3 does everything they need!! Yet they are counting on major sales from Radio stations because they think that they will automatically buy this product for radio edits!! NOT in this economy, and not if AA3 already does what they need it to.

What really needs upgrading is the already GREAT MultiTrack View which is on the cusp of being the very best in the market, yet they are shooting themselves in the foot!!!

1'm not talking about midi, either!!

upgrade the song making capabilities, the metronome, the Multi_Track editing functions (which are already great but could use a few improvements).

1nce again: fruity apple mac users and radio stations CAN BURN IN HELL .

which they will if there is indeed an ultimate authority that holds people accountable for their actions.

Paul_Ferguson

Inspiring

We don't need an ultimate authority that holds people accountable for their actions - we've got you.

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Soundhound

Participant

Okay.... Anybody roughly (or specifically) know when the Windows version of Audition 4 is going to be out?

SteveG_AudioMasters_

Community Expert

Roughtly this year, at a time that will be specified in an Adobe press release that you will just have to wait for, I'm afraid. Only Adobe knows the precise timing of this until then.

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Soundhound

Participant

Thanks. I just bought version 3.0.....knowing my luck, 4.0 will be released the day after I'm no longer eligible for a free upgrade.

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Anonymous

I'm still wrapping my head around the fact that Audition 4 is dropping midi!

The thoughts that go through my head are...does this mean that there is no one at Adobe smart enough to make midi compete with the competition, and if not, are they too cheap to hire someone who does have the smarts to do this? Maybe someone who lost their job with one of their competitors because of the recession?

For years I stayed a loyal Audition customer, thinking one day they would be right up there, if not above, the competition, only to find that they're going in the opposite direction, in regard to midi/VSTi......now the idea of shelling out $$$ for a new DAW and spending time I really don't have, on an entirely new learning curve.......and then, depression set in......

SteveG_AudioMasters_

Community Expert

Lost Weekend wrote:
The thoughts that go through my head are...does this mean that there is no one at Adobe smart enough to make midi compete with the competition, and if not, are they too cheap to hire someone who does have the smarts to do this?

The thoughts that go through my head are that MIDI should never have been there in the first place, and that's clearly pretty much what Adobe are thinking now too. Audition is primarily an editor, not a music production program, and there are very few decent ones of those around compared to the miriad number of programs like Cubase, Sonar, Logic, Reaper, you name it. If you really want to know what's behind the current thinking, you have to think Creative Suite and integration, I'm afraid. Beyond that I can't say at the moment - you'll have to wait for further announcements from Adobe.

There really isn't any sort of major (or even minor) market for another music program - the existing ones have it tied up. So I'd say that the developers are smarter than you think - they know when to stop flogging a dead horse...

Paul_Ferguson

Inspiring

Not a music production program? So have they decided to drop Multitrack View now too? lol

"With the resources we have, what can we afford to improve and what can we afford to let somebody else do better?"

MIDI's the answer to one of those questions, I guess. :-)

I'll do my MIDI where I'm doing it now - in another program or two - and continue to make music in Audition.

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hamish_urban_11

Participant

I don't really get onto these forums that much, but I have been checking them very regularly recently. I'm so looking forward to Audition 4.

I use a mixture of Pro Tools 8 and Audition 2, personally I find the big drawbacks on Pro-tools are

1. Mixing down in real time (real BUMMER)

2 No independent edit scree, everything is done on the session, (making fiddly edits tricky)

But anyway, thanks for keeping us updated on everything .

Cheers

Hamish

www.urbanradio.co.uk

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audiojai17

Participant

I'm officially switching from Adobe Audition to another DAW now because of this:

"Some features, such as MIDI support, are not included because other tools in the market offer those capabilities and they are not part of the core audio post-production workflows that are at the heart of Audition's strengths. Others, like CD Burning, are not included because the majority of newly-created content is distributed digitally and inexpensive or free third-party CD burning tools, such as iTunes, are readily available. If you have specific requests, please let us know in the discussion forum."

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/audition/?tabID=details#tabTop

Yeah, thanks for nothing, Adobe. I thought this program would get better. I've been using this since the cool edit days, and now I just can't see myself upgrading. Here comes Sonar or Cubase. Probably Sonar.

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Anonymous

Ouch!! This really is a bummer. I've been sticking it out with Audition because I always thought they'd improve on their midi functions, and use of VSTi's...and no CD burning???

It's been a real hassle having to use Cubase for my midi and VSTi needs, then move it all to Audition, thinking that the next version would be able to handle it all seemlessly...Looks like I'll have to upgrade my Cubase to the latest version, and drop Audition completely...totally bummed!!!

I wasn't expecting you folks to take a couple steps backward...

Harry

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Who_am_i____

Participant

they aint coming out with AA4. its been forever and still no news

Bob Howes

Inspiring

Except if you bother to read the Adobe site or any of the threads here or in Audiomasters, you'll see the next version of Audition is almost ready and that, being "cross platform--i.e. available for Mac as well as PC) is currently undergoing "public Beta" for Mac users. No release date specified but, since it's already being tested by Mac users, I'd guess it's not too much longer.

Besides those few minor facts, I'm sure your cogent analysis of the situation is entirely accurate.

Paul_Ferguson

Inspiring

Cogent and concise, yes.

For when the Adobe Audtion 4.0?

For why the Adobe Audition 4.0?

For where, who and what the Adobe Audition 4.0?

There. I've asked most of the questions about 4.0. Nobody else has to ask now.

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solarpoint1

Participant

As an older (49) musician who was never able to afford studio time during the analogue days it was with great excitement that I discovered thru an engineer friend that digital audio recording was doable at home and thus I ended up catching the recording bug. My Church used AA 1.5 at the time and as I knew the audio techs that were familiar with it we all agreed that purchasing it for myself would greatly cut down on my learning curve by driving them crazy with my questions. AA 1.5 also had some good DVD training by Jason Levine while 2.0 not so good. I quickly surpassed my collegues in using AA because I ended up building a small home project studio and along with session recording and an online audio engineering course, the constant input of Tape Op, EM, EQ, Recording Mag, SOS.etc began to realize that while all DAWS are indeed not created equally most seem to have little problem with professional third-party plugin protocols, preset management, robust midi and vsti support. Except Adobe. I can't run Wave's Tune, Antare Auto -Tune, Celemony Melodyne, and while IK MM's Amplitube and Riffworks work fine I can't run their T-Racks Deluxe or their ARC room control software. I love Audition's GUI and workflow and it's audio restoration algorithms are awesome but I can only conclude that since I now own Cubase 4.62, Studio One Pro, Ableton Live and Traction 2.0 and all the above mentioned products work in them the problem is in Audition. My hope is that if Adobe has decided it cannot compete in the market then come out with AA 4 that is compatible with as close to industry standards as possible. I just demoed Izotope's Nectar in AA 3 and gues what happened??? The pitch correction module was sketchy at best and when I went to the advanced tab guess what: "Your Host Does Not Support Pitch Correction in this view" Fortunately I had Peavey's $99.00 Traction as a standby!

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Prizm4

Known Participant

Yes, I get this hiccup as well when loop play is turned on. This is not "normal", it's a problem. Especially when you are trying to concentrate on an exact edit.

It bugs me when people say you need a better computer for Audition. For Edit View, you don't need half the speed that processors are today (except for processing plugins), and Cool Edit proved that years ago. For instance, playing back a waveform when zoomed in quite tight used to scroll very smooth, but it's been a jittery mess for years. Whereas you can still swap over to SoundForge and scrolling is perfect.

SteveG_AudioMasters_

Community Expert

Prizm4 wrote:
Yes, I get this hiccup as well when loop play is turned on. This is not "normal", it's a problem. Especially when you are trying to concentrate on an exact edit.
It bugs me when people say you need a better computer for Audition. For Edit View, you don't need half the speed that processors are today (except for processing plugins), and Cool Edit proved that years ago. For instance, playing back a waveform when zoomed in quite tight used to scroll very smooth, but it's been a jittery mess for years. Whereas you can still swap over to SoundForge and scrolling is perfect.

I would still contend that it's not a hiccup, it's a break - and if you change something about the loop you are listening to, then it's good to have a positive indication that it has changed, and it makes even more difference if you have somebody else listening as well, because they too realise that it has, even if they aren't looking at the screen. And this happens quite a lot here. You get precisely one break when the duration is changed - after that there are none. Since you are listening to it looping continuously after that, I'd say that it represented such a short break that if your concentration is broken that easily, you probably shouldn't be attempting to make any edit decisions at all, quite frankly; this 'excuse' is pretty spineless.

So you never process plugins on huge files, never use multitrack for anything, and don't have a decent video card on your machine. In that case you clearly don't need a 'better' computer... well fine, but you might like to note that what I actually said that you needed a proper computer that was set up to do the job, not a better computer. And that's not the same thing at all.

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Dubulous

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you're here calling the dude spineless and yet, you have no idea what he is even talking about. The reason I made this thread, and the reason the last person agreed with me, has absolutely nothing to do with your precious "break" that occurs when you change your loop. We are talking about something completely different. These are sporadic, random "skips" that are occuring throughout the playback of a small (looped) piece of sound.

for example, if I take a song, and snip out EXACTLY four bars, or beats, or measures, or whatever term you prefer...this four bar loop should literally LOOP. Meaning when you loop it, and it starts over, the sound should be perfectly seemless. IT IS NOT, however. In fact, not only is it NOT seemless, but the skips don't even occur only at the end where it loops, they are literally occurring randomly throughout the small 5 second or so piece of sound, at completely irrelevant moments throughout the loop. This is not supposed to happen. and it DOES, very much so, interfere with the listeners concentration during a time that they are trying to be very precise and careful.

this is not simply a "break." and the person who responded saying they are having the same problem is not "spineless." this is a real problem. I'm not stupid or confused, I know exactly what I'm talking about. Got it?

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Dubulous

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Hello Adobe Team,

I would like to say, first and foremost, THANK YOU for bringing Adobe to the Mac. I have used your product for the last 11 or 12 years for the purpose of making hip hop music. Throughout the years, my style has become highly developed, and although programs were constantly coming out and friends were telling me "you must put down adobe and use X and use Y and use Z because they are easier and bigger and brighter," I stuck firmly to your product, because I have NEVER used anything that is faster and easier at zooming, selecting, cutting, copying, and pasting VERY specific pieces of sound, down to the millisecond. It may take longer to finalize my music, and involve more trial and error and back-peddling, but it's all love on my end...it's my style. Honestly, people criticize the fact that I only use Adobe Audition in my music making, UNTIL they hear my music. Not to brag, but I'm nasty with it!

Once my HP died and I made the switch to Mac in February, I was CRUSHED when I learned that I was not able to use Adobe on a Mac without a partition, which I immediately got, and learned quickly that it was simply insufficient. So thank you for releasing this product just in the nick of time. I downloaded the beta version last night, and I was instantly satisfied. There are some minor things that are different from older versions, but they seem to be the types of things that just take a little getting used to, such as the placement of the zoom buttons. It appears that certain effects and options are missing from previous products, but I am assuming that is only because I am using the BETA version?? Other than these minor things, it seems awesome.

So I wanted to be one of the first to tell you that the BETA version seems great so far. I am very pleased, and anxiously awaiting the final release. You have given me my voice back, and I am in debt to you. Thank you.

-Tommy

if you want to hear what I have done with your program - visit -- www.soundcloud.com/dubulous-productions

SteveG_AudioMasters_

Community Expert

Dubulous wrote:

There are some minor things that are different from older versions, but they seem to be the types of things that just take a little getting used to, such as the placement of the zoom buttons.

So you haven't noticed any of the major things - like mode-free operation?

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Dubulous

Participant

to be honest I haven't noticed much of anything aside from the updated look and minor differences. I only played with it for about a half hour, and just wanted to make sure I could still do everything I always did before. I am going to play with it some more tonight. I'm sure it's gonna be good tho....

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memofhs

Participant

Adobe Audition 4 is comming!!!

After years and years waiting for... Adobe says "We expect to make a public beta of Audition for the Mac available in Winter 2010" So... Its time for us to do our jobs, and give overcrowd feedback to make this release all that we expect.

More info on: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/audition/

PS. Oh by the way... it comes to mac OS.

SteveG_AudioMasters_

Community Expert

Oh, for heaven's sake - haven't you read any of the other posts on this forum at all? This isn't exactly news...

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Anonymous

Well, it served as a heads-up for me, at least, since I haven't been back into the main forum in a while to see new threads.

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Fikssss

Participant

It is very disapointing that there is no AA4 with the new version of the CS5, maybe adobe is not going to take out a new version of AA4.

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emmrecs

Legend

Without wishing to extend this topic uneccessarily...

Fikssss wrote:
It is very disapointing that there is no AA4 with the new version of the CS5, maybe adobe is not going to take out a new version of AA4.

Can I suggest you read ALL the posts? You'll clearly see then that AA4 IS under development.

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Anonymous

> You'll clearly see then that AA4 IS under development.

And unless I'm wrong, AA has never been part of any Creative Suite so far anyway. Hasn't that been Soundbooth's role, and Audition was left as a specialist pro-level app?

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