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January 28, 2022
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Frequency Analysis Window Decibel Scale - wrong ? (er, no...)

  • January 28, 2022
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i'm using 2017 Audition to try to analyze energy distribution of music so i can design speakers that properly allocate available power to different frequency bands ( woofers vs midrange vs tweeters ) ...

 

i am having an issue ...

 

Audition on most tracks shows 30 decibel differential between peak of bass kick at 50 hz and begin of high frequency rolloff at 10 khz ...

 

that is to say it shows 50 hz as -20 db and 10 khz as -50 db ...

 

screen shot below is analysis of the entire track " PSY - Gangnam Style " for example ... but other tracks look similar ...

 

 

but over at a speaker building forum i saw data posted that shows only 15 decibels for the same drop:

 

https://techtalk.parts-express.com/forum/tech-talk-forum/64801-musical-genre-specific-average-spectral-content

 

15 decibels is suspiciously HALF of 30 decibels, yet the overall shape of the curve is actually basically the same ...

 

they both show peak at 50 hz and rolloff beginning at 10 khz ... but the SCALE on one of them seems to be off by a factor of 2X ...

 

it's also a little suspicious to me that bass peaks in Adobe are already at -20 db, which is kinda low ?

 

when i design the speaker closely following popular professional designs its power capacity versus frequency ends up matching the curves posted on partsexpress tech talk, which show 15 decibel drop ... which leads me to suspect Adobe scale is measuring something else, or displaying it wrong ...

 

one possible reason for 2X factor is Voltage vs Power ... 2X Voltage = 4X Power ... though when correctly implemented  both will result in 6 decibels but, perhaps it is NOT correctly implemented ?

 

is the frequency analysis panel any different in more recent versions of Audition ?

 

even one extra decibel in sound reinforcement can cost thousands and we're talking about 15 decibels of discrepancy here ... 

 

i don't need to know where the error is coming from necessarily just which is the right figure.

 

thanks in advance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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SteveG_AudioMasters_
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January 28, 2022

Audition cannot measure power. The scaling is all voltage-based (same as SPL) and has been correct for many years. Nor has it altered. I suspect that you are simply confusing the units. The power, as expressed in dB would indeed come out at half of the SPL values measured.

Participant
January 28, 2022

Thank you for responding Steve !

 

That was my original thought, that because doubling of voltage results in quadrupling of power that this may be the reason why one scale is off by 2X relative to the other ...

 

But i Googled this yesterday and 2X Voltage should be 6 decibles and 4X Power should also be 6 decibels ...

 

In other words there should be no difference whether Voltage or Power is measured - decibels should be the same ?

 

 

Participant
January 28, 2022

also from Wikipedia:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power,_root-power,_and_field_quantities

 

"root-power quantity is a quantity such as voltagecurrentsound pressureelectric field strengthspeed, or charge density, the square of which, in linear systems, is proportional to power.[3] The term root-power quantity refers to the square root that relates these quantities to power."