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November 13, 2016
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Serious, important issues in 2015.2 version

  • November 13, 2016
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Hi, I tried also this version, I hope it was noticially better then previous ones, but I advice that year passing without you correct some huge issues, that make the program sometime difficult to use, and not expressing the full potential of user's ideas. I STRONGLY HOPE you will consider the following for the future releases, it will be rellay stupid to don't care about these aspects!
The usage of program in my case is for "offline/not live" DJ mixing purposes.

REALLY ANNOYING CONTROLS:
1) When is about to edit the volume in multitrack, ad build up an envelope the chances are very limited, they work quite ok for lower volumes, but to set for example -0,5dB I've to zoom a lot the track! Without zooming it there is a huge step from 0 to -1dB for example, and it is unacceptable, to huge step. Anyway, why steps? I tried to disable all the magnetic functions in tools bar, and I've never had the chance to have "free" envelope mouse, like it was with Adobe audition 1.5 or Cooledit, I still love them for this! Another really important thing: please let me see the values in % not only in dB! It's much easier for me to understand/readable the volume will be 85% instead of -1,4dB!

2) in multitrack, when a play is in action and I'm adjusting the envelopes on the track, if the "play line" go outside the screen on right and the screen "shift" to the next page, if I was holding the envelope point by pressing the mouse left button, this envelope point will be now present in the next page. No sense, annoying, and time wasting feature. Please, if I keep holding the mouse button, don't let the play shift page (well, keep the sound play) until I release it. Thank you!

3) in multitrack I'm playing a song, when playing I click in a different time of the song and the play correctly jumps there, not if I let it play in progress and make a zoom in the play area.. for example to adjust evelope, if I stop the play Audition will show me back the area where the main play line was set in the beginning, while now my area of interest is where I wanted to adjust envelope. I want that the screen keeps the same even if I stop playing! I want to work there, I don't want to zoom out, look where I was working, and zoom in again to see the area of interest back, can you imagine how much time we can loose with this?

3) I would like to have the SOLO button unique, that means if I press it on a track, and it was before set to another track, it will be unselected from that track automatically. There can be only one solo button active. That was in Audition 1.5 and was really comfortable, please let us chose int he options menu how to use the SOLO button.


DANGEROUS ISSUES:
1) I create a multitrack project 44.100 16bit stereo, and for unknow reason when I open an mp3 it is converted on 32 bit wave, if I edit the wave and it ask me to save it, if I save it on 16 bit I'll lose the volume ad pan envelope on multitrack!!! Without chances to recover it, I've to rebuild the job from zero!

2) happened with last release to load a session after reboot and Audition can't find on the multitrack some of the .wav to load. The session was properly saved. When I linked the unknow track to the proper file I lost the volume and pan envelope! It happened once.

3) all Mixdown wave outputs have a "glitch" in the beginning, which doesn't belong from the first track, it's a bug of the 2015.2

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    Correct answer SteveG_AudioMasters_

    barabba11 wrote:

    REALLY ANNOYING CONTROLS:
    1) When is about to edit the volume in multitrack, ad build up an envelope the chances are very limited, they work quite ok for lower volumes, but to set for example -0,5dB I've to zoom a lot the track! Without zooming it there is a huge step from 0 to -1dB for example, and it is unacceptable, to huge step. Anyway, why steps? I tried to disable all the magnetic functions in tools bar, and I've never had the chance to have "free" envelope mouse, like it was with Adobe audition 1.5 or Cooledit, I still love them for this! Another really important thing: please let me see the values in % not only in dB! It's much easier for me to understand/readable the volume will be 85% instead of -1,4dB!

    Try holding down the Ctrl key when moving the points - you will end up with much finer resolution, and disable the 0dB snap. And % marks are effectively useless; these are linear, and sound level variations are logarithmic - which is why the world and his dog wants to use dB.

    2) in multitrack, when a play is in action and I'm adjusting the envelopes on the track, if the "play line" go outside the screen on right and the screen "shift" to the next page, if I was holding the envelope point by pressing the mouse left button, this envelope point will be now present in the next page. No sense, annoying, and time wasting feature. Please, if I keep holding the mouse button, don't let the play shift page (well, keep the sound play) until I release it. Thank you!

    3) in multitrack I'm playing a song, when playing I click in a different time of the song and the play correctly jumps there, not if I let it play in progress and make a zoom in the play area.. for example to adjust evelope, if I stop the play Audition will show me back the area where the main play line was set in the beginning, while now my area of interest is where I wanted to adjust envelope. I want that the screen keeps the same even if I stop playing! I want to work there, I don't want to zoom out, look where I was working, and zoom in again to see the area of interest back, can you imagine how much time we can loose with this?

    The behaviour of Audition (especially regarding your point 3) when it's playing back can be altered in Preferences>Playback. If you can't find settings that suit you better, then report back.

    3) I would like to have the SOLO button unique, that means if I press it on a track, and it was before set to another track, it will be unselected from that track automatically. There can be only one solo button active. That was in Audition 1.5 and was really comfortable, please let us chose int he options menu how to use the SOLO button.

    If you go to Preferences>Multitrack and look at the 'track solo' option, you will find that you can set it as you want. Yes, that's in 2015.2


    DANGEROUS ISSUES:
    1) I create a multitrack project 44.100 16bit stereo, and for unknow reason when I open an mp3 it is converted on 32 bit wave, if I edit the wave and it ask me to save it, if I save it on 16 bit I'll lose the volume ad pan envelope on multitrack!!! Without chances to recover it, I've to rebuild the job from zero!

    2) happened with last release to load a session after reboot and Audition can't find on the multitrack some of the .wav to load. The session was properly saved. When I linked the unknow track to the proper file I lost the volume and pan envelope! It happened once.

    3) all Mixdown wave outputs have a "glitch" in the beginning, which doesn't belong from the first track, it's a bug of the 2015.2

    1) There was a decision made a long time ago to normalize mp3 opening to 32-bit, as that's what most people use in multitrack, whatever the sample rate. This is because you retain all volume scaling options when you save, and also you don't lose bit depth resolution if you shift the volume about a lot, which you would if you saved all your session files in an integer (16-bit) format.

    2) There is in this version a bug relating to envelopes. It's known about and the solution is to upgrade to the latest version.

    3) It may be a bug for you, but I haven't experienced it, and I don't recall anybody else complaining about it.

    Bottom line: Explore the possibilities in Preferences carefully - there's a lot you can do there to customise Audition. Secondly, if you want things fixed, especially if they look more like features than bugs, then you need to keep up with the upgrade program. The developers won't go back and fix little things in a major release when there's a new major release out; it's the new one they will keep current.

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    SteveG_AudioMasters_
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    SteveG_AudioMasters_Community ExpertCorrect answer
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    November 13, 2016

    barabba11 wrote:

    REALLY ANNOYING CONTROLS:
    1) When is about to edit the volume in multitrack, ad build up an envelope the chances are very limited, they work quite ok for lower volumes, but to set for example -0,5dB I've to zoom a lot the track! Without zooming it there is a huge step from 0 to -1dB for example, and it is unacceptable, to huge step. Anyway, why steps? I tried to disable all the magnetic functions in tools bar, and I've never had the chance to have "free" envelope mouse, like it was with Adobe audition 1.5 or Cooledit, I still love them for this! Another really important thing: please let me see the values in % not only in dB! It's much easier for me to understand/readable the volume will be 85% instead of -1,4dB!

    Try holding down the Ctrl key when moving the points - you will end up with much finer resolution, and disable the 0dB snap. And % marks are effectively useless; these are linear, and sound level variations are logarithmic - which is why the world and his dog wants to use dB.

    2) in multitrack, when a play is in action and I'm adjusting the envelopes on the track, if the "play line" go outside the screen on right and the screen "shift" to the next page, if I was holding the envelope point by pressing the mouse left button, this envelope point will be now present in the next page. No sense, annoying, and time wasting feature. Please, if I keep holding the mouse button, don't let the play shift page (well, keep the sound play) until I release it. Thank you!

    3) in multitrack I'm playing a song, when playing I click in a different time of the song and the play correctly jumps there, not if I let it play in progress and make a zoom in the play area.. for example to adjust evelope, if I stop the play Audition will show me back the area where the main play line was set in the beginning, while now my area of interest is where I wanted to adjust envelope. I want that the screen keeps the same even if I stop playing! I want to work there, I don't want to zoom out, look where I was working, and zoom in again to see the area of interest back, can you imagine how much time we can loose with this?

    The behaviour of Audition (especially regarding your point 3) when it's playing back can be altered in Preferences>Playback. If you can't find settings that suit you better, then report back.

    3) I would like to have the SOLO button unique, that means if I press it on a track, and it was before set to another track, it will be unselected from that track automatically. There can be only one solo button active. That was in Audition 1.5 and was really comfortable, please let us chose int he options menu how to use the SOLO button.

    If you go to Preferences>Multitrack and look at the 'track solo' option, you will find that you can set it as you want. Yes, that's in 2015.2


    DANGEROUS ISSUES:
    1) I create a multitrack project 44.100 16bit stereo, and for unknow reason when I open an mp3 it is converted on 32 bit wave, if I edit the wave and it ask me to save it, if I save it on 16 bit I'll lose the volume ad pan envelope on multitrack!!! Without chances to recover it, I've to rebuild the job from zero!

    2) happened with last release to load a session after reboot and Audition can't find on the multitrack some of the .wav to load. The session was properly saved. When I linked the unknow track to the proper file I lost the volume and pan envelope! It happened once.

    3) all Mixdown wave outputs have a "glitch" in the beginning, which doesn't belong from the first track, it's a bug of the 2015.2

    1) There was a decision made a long time ago to normalize mp3 opening to 32-bit, as that's what most people use in multitrack, whatever the sample rate. This is because you retain all volume scaling options when you save, and also you don't lose bit depth resolution if you shift the volume about a lot, which you would if you saved all your session files in an integer (16-bit) format.

    2) There is in this version a bug relating to envelopes. It's known about and the solution is to upgrade to the latest version.

    3) It may be a bug for you, but I haven't experienced it, and I don't recall anybody else complaining about it.

    Bottom line: Explore the possibilities in Preferences carefully - there's a lot you can do there to customise Audition. Secondly, if you want things fixed, especially if they look more like features than bugs, then you need to keep up with the upgrade program. The developers won't go back and fix little things in a major release when there's a new major release out; it's the new one they will keep current.

    November 14, 2016

    thank you for really kind answer, it matches mostly of my troubles, I apologize I didn't advice myself such opportunities. I upgraded to 2017, and:
    1) Yes with ctrl I solved but I can't find the 0dB snap. It doesn't matter I suppose.
    2) 3) ok much better now, as soon I'll mix something I let you know if I can suggest some improvements.

    4) ok SOLO works in the desidered way


    About bugs I'll test them in the new realease.
    One question, is it possible to apply in multitrack an effect for only a certain section of the track? For example I would like to cut bass of the incoming track for mixing, and gradually insert them till the crosspoint. I need a kind of envelope of the effect applied, is it possible?
    Would be also wonderful to have an evelope (in multitrack) of tempo, there are unfortunately some songs which are not stable, the pitch/tempo may go up and down slightly (for example a record from vinyl) and it makes me crazy cause I've to stretch/enlarge every 4 beats. Having that envelope will reduce me time while syncronizing.


    Thank you a lot, I hope you would consider them as precious suggestions for next release if not already present, really useful.

    SteveG_AudioMasters_
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    November 14, 2016

    Barabba11 wrote:


    One question, is it possible to apply in multitrack an effect for only a certain section of the track? For example I would like to cut bass of the incoming track for mixing, and gradually insert them till the crosspoint. I need a kind of envelope of the effect applied, is it possible?

    Yes, you can use the twirl-down at the bottom of the track control panel (to the left of where it normally says 'read') to automate just about anything in any effect you have applied to a track. You get a rubber band for each control you activate, but you don't have to leave them all up all the time, as the screen would get very cluttered, but the settings are retained in the session file. But this way you can set up remarkably complicated mixes very easily.