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P: New AI-powered Generative Remove (Early Access) available across all surfaces.

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May 16, 2024
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The Photography team is sharing an early look at Generative Remove, which makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions, even on complex backgrounds, with a simple brush stroke. Generative Remove is powered by Firefly AI.

How to use Generative Remove on a desktop:

You can find Generative Remove under the newly renamed Remove panel (aka “Heal”).
Make sure the “generative AI” checkbox is enabled before you start brushing (note: when unchecked, Lightroom will use Content-Aware Remove to fill your brushed spots).
By default, you will be given a moment to refine your selection with an add or subtract brush. Remember to include shadows for a more accurate result! You can also skip this step by holding down ‘CTRL’ on windows or ‘CMD’ on mac as you finish your brush stroke.
Once you’re ready to apply and have accepted the terms, Generative Remove will use Firefly AI to remove your distractions and intelligently fill in the space that’s left by the removed objects.
Note: stable internet connection is required to use this feature.
Generative Remove also lets you choose from multiple variations, so you can pick the one you like best, giving you full creative control.

Please give it a try and share feedback and/or report variations in this community forum. It would greatly help to include details like which app you are using (i.e., Lightroom Classic or Camera Raw) and other system details. Our team will continually monitor this thread to track issues to improve the future experience.

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager
Posted by: Rikk Flohr

Update (Dec 2024): With the new release, it is no longer necessary to perform Generative Remove Operations prior to Cropping.

Update:

Here are some tips if you are having issues with the feature replacing your object instead of removing it.

Enlarge your selection - if your brush stroke is too tight, you will have unexpected results.
Remember that removing an object means painting over it, its shadow, its reflection, and any non-contiguous pieces. If you leave behind a shadow, a reflection, or a disconnected piece (e.g., a hand on a shoulder), the AI will attempt to create something to cast the shadow, reflect, or complete the unbrushed discontinuous item.

The recommended order for applying edits is:

Denoise
Heal (includes Generative AI Remove)
Crop (includes traditional Cropping, Lens Correction, Transform, or any operation changing the geometry of the image, including round-tripping to PS to use Gen-Expand)
Global Edits
AI Selective edits (Sky, Person, etc)

If you deviate from that, you may see the removed object remain a ghost image. If this occurs, you will have to use Update AI Settings.

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MrBigTree

Participant

The ai generative fill seems to be a different resolution than the rest of the image, rendering it unusable for me.

hlam_hayball

Participant

The firefly a.i model being used behind the scene can only generate a max res of 1024X1024 at a time. Any region larger than that results in a generation which is upscaled from 1024px which is probably whats happening for you. The only way around it is to use it on smaller areas. try and split up your generations if possible

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Dave22168889rc8o

Participant

Could you please stop the remove tool from adding other random things, most of the time I am looking for a blank wall, empty grass, not bicycles, peoples faces etc

cheers

ttoomuch

Inspiring

You're absolutely right. Remove is remove, replace is something else. As a wedding photographer, I often want to remove a person, why should I want to get somebody else in its place? It doesn't make sense. The fact is that Generative filling works the same bad way in Photoshop, even with prompts. Yesterday I had to remove a crane from the sky and a building, it kept replacing it with other cranes (uh?), even prompting "empty sky" or "match building shape and windows without crane" Very frustrating!

Cheers

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LMass

Known Participant

Generative AI oesn;t work as well in LR as in PS

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DhandaNot

Known Participant

The remove works well at times, but sometimes it gets it totally wrong. I am sharing an example of how it got totally wrong, even after refreshing twice.

DhandaNot

gary_sc

Community Expert

Hi, @DhandaNot, please take a step back and think about what you are trying to remove: you have a stick going from one side of the image to the other, and you are trying to remove the middle. Keep in mind that one of the strengths of AI is to try and make sense of what it's doing. It sees the beginning of the stick, and it sees the end. Having nothing in the middle makes no sense to AI, any more than having a shadow and not having anything MAKING that shadow — so it has to provide something.

Please try this: 1) Be sure you have not cropped the image at all; un-crop if necessary. Select the entire stick AND any shadow of the stick. See if that works, and let us know.

ttoomuch

Inspiring

AI sometimes doesn´t remove what you want and keeps on trying to replace it with something else. B.E. Trying to remove a person inbetween others, I can´t enlarge the selection more than what´s the person, there's plenty of wall samples around in the picture, but still, all the proposals are replacing the person with another one, none of the options is replacing by the wall reference all around. A simple prompt box would be welcome. Something like "replace by: ---"

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calvin_gustinov_jaya

Participant

awsome

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sfarkas92

Participant

It works great for the most part, I wish I could edit the spots after ward because he makes it blurry and muddy looking. I wish I could sharpen or add grain to it!

Rex Anthony Lucas, CPP

Participant

I have read the relevant posts looking for a solution. I have been using LRC for a number of years. I also use other software for my work. I have 'VERY" recently begun using the "Generative Removal" tool in LRC. The performance continues to be eratic. Instead of removing objects, nine times out of ten it replaces one object with another. Any available solutions as yet?

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DennyJetTone

Participating Frequently

I'm getting better and better results the more that I use the tool and try to figure out what usually works and why.

♦Early on I discovered that if I had been using the Healing Brush with an Opacity setting less than 100, that setting remained when using the new tool. That explained a couple of particularly bad results.

♦Trying to get a clean removal-and-b'ground-fill seems to rarely get better on a Refresh, but more tries at initial masking, might do the trick or provide a result that could be successfully worked with a different tool.
♦Sometimes making the brush larger and/or making the mask a little sloppy gives better resluts to me.

♦Best results for me come when using the tool before any other adjustmens other than global Noise Reduction.

♦Try using different combinations of "Generative AI" and "Object Aware" ...

►One or the other

►Both

►or even None, which might give a result that could be worked successfully witn a differnt tool.