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Inspiring
November 26, 2009
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Connect Pro is not a true LMS?

  • November 26, 2009
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Hello Everyone,

Happy Thanksgiving to my American neighbors!

Does this mean that the forum is going to be quiet today?

I just spent a VERY frustrating hour with Connect Pro support, only to learn two potentially huge problems. I hope someone in this forum can alleviate my fears and set the record straight. I really think the person I was speaking with either doesn't fully understand all the capabilities of Connect Pro or did not fully comprehend what I needed.

1. In order to circumvent the embedded animation bug in Captivate 4, I purchased Michael's loader widget. (http://www.cpguru.com/2009/11/17/as2-loader-widget-for-adobe-captivate-4/comment-page-1/#comment-9214

The good: It works! It solves the animation bug (where animations do not play properly) when played from my local hard drive.

The bad: I cannot get it to work on Connect Pro. The widget requires that the animation be located in the same folder as the project. It's not entirely clear how to accomplish this on Connect Pro. Perhaps the Widget needs to allow for a URL location?

2. I called Connect Pro (CP) support and was told the following:

a) CP is designed to work with single .swf files only;

b) CP is not a true LMS;

c) CP should allow a system where students can log in and access a self-paced course curriculum, see their scores, their lessons they studied, what lessons they need to complete, allow a teacher or manager to see the scores of each student, etc..... is not what Connect Pro was designed to offer? The tech said "No". Moreover, the support tech continued, CP was designed for meetings and teacher driven live training.

Are you kidding me? That is not what I understood and I am certain this person is incorrect.

Please enlighten me...

Thank you.

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Captiv8r
Legend
December 9, 2009

Hi there

I just finished a rather long conversation with a fellow Captivate Instructor and fellow Adobe Community Expert John Daigle. John shared his screen with me and we looked at some Connect related things. John is also an Adobe Certified Connect Instructor.

I suppose we should begin by stating that there are many different levels of what Connect offers. One of the levels (which may or may not be present, depending on your level of subscription) offers a "Training" module. So the first step is to determine if you have the training module available. As I understand it, when you log into Connect, you will see "Training" listed as an option. If you don't see this, it means you don't have access.

So assuming you see this, you have access to the Training module.

Now let's talk LMS. What is a LMS? From what I understand, it's simply an environment where you configure Lessons. Include one or more Lessons within a Course and are able to have one or more Courses in a Curriculum. The LMS has an administrator that handles creating Courses and Curriculums and also maintains the list of participants or students. Login IDs and Passwords are assigned to students. Connect does all this if you have the Training level available. So far, it seems an awful lot like a LMS to me.

What are the other aspects of a LMS? Tracking scores and providing reports, no? And again, what I witnessed was that Connect served up a Captivate, the user interacted with it and Connect logged Who viewed the content, what questions they got right and wrong, how long they spent, etc. Again, it seems an awful lot like a LMS when you see that.

I'm sure Adobe doesn't classify or advertise Connect Pro as a LMS, as it goes far beyond what a typical LMS might handle.

This post isn't to confirm anyone is bad or wrong or even right. Only to clarify that Connect Pro *CAN* serve in a role that a typical LMS would fill. *IF* you have the Training module. And I suppose that's the only question yet to be answered here.

By the way, we also tested linking to a PDF from the Captivate after it had been uploaded to Connect. Admittedly it took a few tries to make it work, but it was proven that this is possible to accomplish as well.

Cheers... Rick

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Known Participant
December 9, 2009

What is an LMS?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_management_system

Captivate apparently does have some LMS-like features, but it is chiefly recognized as synchronous web conferencing system. LMS usually means an environment for asynchronous online learning with many features not found in Connect. It is not accurate to say "... it (Connect) goes far beyond what a typical LMS might handle." ... or that Connect is similar to a typical LMS ... though there is some blending oand overlap of these systems.

Captiv8r
Legend
December 9, 2009

Hi there

Nobody suggested Captivate is an LMS. Certainly Captivate created content can work WITH an LMS, but it isn't one.

Cheers... Rick

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Known Participant
December 1, 2009

Shawn,

If by LMS you mean learning management system, then no, Connect Pro is not an LMS. It's a web conferencing system, used for live meetings or class sessions with video/audio. You can store some files in Connect, but in my experince, there isn't any functionality for assessment, grading, tracking user visits, etc. You might get some of the functionality you describe using Presenter or Captivate slideshows within an LMS (like Moodle, Blackboard or other).

Inspiring
December 1, 2009

Thanks for your reply.

This is what I am discovering. It was choosen before I started with this company so I figured it was properly researched.

Can anyone recommend a hosted LMS (Learning Management System)? I see a lot of talk about Sumtotal.

Known Participant
December 1, 2009

You might check into Moodle Rooms. http://moodlerooms.com/

Or install Moodle --- it's open source. http://moodle.org

Inspiring
November 27, 2009

Hi Shawn,

I don't use Adobe Connect Pro so I really can't be of that much help. I do however have some input.

1. To allow the widget to download resources from a URL would open up a whole new can of worms. It would open up issues with Flash Security settings, crossdomain policies etc. so I don't think that is viable solution.

There must be some way to get this to work in Connect Pro. Essentially if Connect Pro only allow a single SWF output then you wouldn't be able to use the Externalize Resources option in Captivate 4. All Captivate 3 productions would also fail in Connect Pro then since it publishes resources in separate files per default and even the playbar skin is a separate SWF file.

I use the widget in several different LMS' and that has never been a problem. I wonder if it is a setting in Connect Pro that needs to be changed. I think that Lilibiry uses Connect Pro so hopefully she will pop in here and give some advice.

2. As for this - well I agree Connect Pro is not a true LMS. However, if Connect Pro only can handle single .swf files then it's practically useless for any type of e-learning in my view.

/Michael


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Inspiring
November 27, 2009

Hello Michael,

There is an option in Captivate 4 to externalize some resources when publishing. I will try this out and aee how Connect Pro deals with the externalized data.

Thank you