coldfusion fading out?

i'm seeing some real interesting talk here. I really like the way you guys coming out with examples. I'm still using CF, and my question is not here to blow CF away, just get thinking what's going on, and where are we headed. Keep talking with your opinons.

> That's because it was sold to mega-coporation for $580 million, but was
> built from nothing to $580 million using ColdFusion.

No, its becauase .Net came along and is much more productive, is more likely
to be around 5 years from now and has the stability of being owned by a
"mega-corporation" and not the instability of being owned by "insert current
owner of CF here".

I'll bet MySpace got REAL concerned over the years as CF went from a major
product to something that was shifted from company to company as a B grade
product. Particulalrly given the lousy marketing and attention CF was given
by these companies. Heck, Macromedia pushed PHP more than it did CF!!



"Neo Rye" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Slice,
> That's because it was sold to mega-coporation for $580 million, but was
> built from nothing to $580 million using ColdFusion.

Slice,
That's because it was sold to mega-coporation for $580 million, but was built from nothing to $580 million using ColdFusion.

Oh, one more thing... About hand coding.

When you develop in .net, the components usually cost a lot of money. CF has a ton of great and free components. And the ones that do cost are the fraction of .net's. That is another benefit.

You know... I had the EXACT same question a couple of months ago. I've done a few full blown CF sites over the past few years. I like coding in CF because I can code in it faster than any other language I've -tried-. There's a part of me that would like to do more .Net since I'm an old school C++ programmer. But ... it's microsoft. If there's anything I've learned over the past is that MS doesn't like to play well with others.

PHP is another great language and it fill a niche. Personally I wouldn't trust it in a high volume environment. (That's just me, I know there are plenty of sites that do) I'd like to be able to call the manufacturer of the software if there is a major issue and get a resolution. If there's a problem with PHP; you're pretty much on your own unless you manage to find someone that has even more knowledge than yourself.

I would have to agree ---in part--- with slice though. But I'd draw the line on stating CF is a short shelf life. There's lots of sites out there that use CF. CF also plays very nicely with Flash now. Flash forms are SUPER neat and very quick to create.

The part I agree with slice is that we are moving away from the html world. Whether that means flash is the answer still remains the question. My next project I plan on using Ruby/Rails and Flex so I'll have a better idea on what is going on there. I'm just hoping I don't have to code twice so that search engines can sort through the "flash" website. That's my main issue when it comes to flash. I want the search engines to browse my site and learn all about it. How can someone search for something on your site, say from google, if you're not indexed?

CF difinitely fits a niche and I honestly feel its going to be around for while. I personally feel its easier to write code in it over .net and php. I've got more business right now than I know what to do with.

re: ColdFusion
gives us the ability to produce enterprise level applications in a fraction
of
the time and effort as our competitors

Funny how the .net folk say the same thing. Except with .Net. people, well,
are actually using it to build these apps you speak of within a fraction of
teh time and with much less hand coding than is done in CF. I suggest to you
that your competition are just slow and would be just as slow in any
language they use. The CF si "magical" thing just aint selling anymore as it
just isn't true.

CF folk don't work in cubicles but .Net folk do - honestly, why ruin your
case with silly talk like this. Given that CF is usually used by governemnt
I'd say the cubicles are mostly for cf types that get paid doodly squat for
sitting in them.

re: Look at myspace.com and you'll see ColdFusion can clearly
> handle the task of web applications

MySpace.com tend to disagree - they have already begun the switch to .Net.
Keep up with the times man!



"Neo Rye" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> I'd place it all in context.
>
> I work for a small company (10 employees w/ 2 programmers) and ColdFusion
> gives us the ability to produce enterprise level applications in a
> fraction of
> the time and effort as our competitors. We actually listen to our clients
> and
> can react to their needs. One specific competitor has over 100 employees
> and we
> are taking their business everyday. We've grown from 4 clients to over 200
> in
> under 2 years and all those clients have come from companies 10 times our
> size.
>
> They use .Net and have an entire .Net team, network team, sales team,
> marketing team, database team, security team, graphics team, etc, etc...
> all
> doing their very specific coding task from within their little 10x10
> cubicles.
> Might work for larger mega-corporations and those nubs that like to work
> for
> them, but for a small or medium sized business, it rocks.
>
> I believe SliceOfLife lives in such cubicle and comes here to make himself
> feel better about his sorry slice of life.
>
> I make 6 figures plus as a ColdFusion programmer with huge upward
> potential
> and love developing apps for the web with it. CF 8 should help take us
> all to
> the next level.
>
> Feel free to go to work for a mega-corporation and be a coding grunt using
> .net and be that forever or free yourself and start developing creative
> apps to
> compete with them. Look at myspace.com and you'll see ColdFusion can
> clearly
> handle the task of web applications and make 2 guys very rich and have fun
> doing it.
>
> What are you waiting for?
>

I'd place it all in context.

I work for a small company (10 employees w/ 2 programmers) and ColdFusion gives us the ability to produce enterprise level applications in a fraction of the time and effort as our competitors. We actually listen to our clients and can react to their needs. One specific competitor has over 100 employees and we are taking their business everyday. We've grown from 4 clients to over 200 in under 2 years and all those clients have come from companies 10 times our size.

They use .Net and have an entire .Net team, network team, sales team, marketing team, database team, security team, graphics team, etc, etc... all doing their very specific coding task from within their little 10x10 cubicles. Might work for larger mega-corporations and those nubs that like to work for them, but for a small or medium sized business, it rocks.

I believe SliceOfLife lives in such cubicle and comes here to make himself feel better about his sorry slice of life.

I make 6 figures plus as a ColdFusion programmer with huge upward potential and love developing apps for the web with it. CF 8 should help take us all to the next level.

Feel free to go to work for a mega-corporation and be a coding grunt using .net and be that forever or free yourself and start developing creative apps to compete with them. Look at myspace.com and you'll see ColdFusion can clearly handle the task of web applications and make 2 guys very rich and have fun doing it.

What are you waiting for?

CF is nowhere near as popular as php and asp/asp.net - but yes, in some
places it is still used. I only hope Adobe can do something more with it
than MM did. But with RoR maturing, there is less and less chance for cf to
make it.


"jeby" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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>I am seeing CF more and more on the web all the time. Five years ago when
>I first started programing in CF I only knew of a few sites that used it
>and now there are tons....

I am seeing CF more and more on the web all the time. Five years ago when I first started programing in CF I only knew of a few sites that used it and now there are tons....

Look at this way; Problems are an opportunitiy to learn more about the language and expand your skill set, and /or push the capabilities of CF.