Coldfusion vs ASP .Net PHP etc.

RE: Flagg - In my opinion, the biggest problem is the lack of developer
base.

I think it all has to do with "critical mass". Cf just isn't that popular so
it never really gets there. All the signs of "critical mass" are missing
with CF (the signs being things like: an abundance of books, plenty of
regualarly run training course, developer base as you mentioned, enough
ISP's offering decent hosting accounts, third party libraries, applications
and resources, so on and so forth)

The theory of CF is that you should be able to get things done quite
quickly, but organisations look at the reality of this it is not hard to see
why the critical mass issue pretty much cancels out the benefits of CF. And
with platform like Ruby On Rails springing up, you have a situation where
you get better than what cf offers for a much lower price.

Speaking of RoR, it will be a scary day in CF land when RoR catchs on with
the "enterprise" crowd. I think the only thing holding it up right now is
lack of a good IDE. (A problem it shares with CF) I used to think Asp.Net
with VS 2005 beat CF hands down when it came to RAD developmennt (though at
the expense of a higher initial learning curve). However, RoR has a similar
leaning curve to CF but is incredibly faster to build web apps with. (The
first time in many years I have seen a product has lived up to its hype!)



"Karen_Little" <karen@littleviews.com> wrote in message
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> Flagg - In my opinion, the biggest problem is the lack of developer base.
>
> I just did two www.dice.com searchs for New York in the last 14 days.
> ColdFusion came up with 23 jobs, most of which were temp. .Net came up
> with 656
> jobs.
>
>
>

> I read somewhere the went with BD as way of moving it all over to asp.net
> gradually.

Quite possibly. The thing is that it's running on BD *now*, so there's
obviously no scaling issues with BD as the site runs fine, and it is -
after all - either the busiest or second busiest site on the 'net,
currently.

--
Adam

Flagg - In my opinion, the biggest problem is the lack of developer base.

I just did two www.dice.com searchs for New York in the last 14 days. ColdFusion came up with 23 jobs, most of which were temp. .Net came up with 656 jobs.

I read somewhere the went with BD as way of moving it all over to asp.net
gradually.

"Adam Cameron" <adam_junk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> They are ditching coldfusion and going with asp.net - several rumours as
>> to
>> why, but this is definitely the case. Coldfusion is out.
>
> They ditched CF and went with BlueDragon. Not asp.net. BD is still CFML.
>
> --
> Adam

> They are ditching coldfusion and going with asp.net - several rumours as to
> why, but this is definitely the case. Coldfusion is out.

They ditched CF and went with BlueDragon. Not asp.net. BD is still CFML.

--
Adam

> myspace.com by the way is built with ColdFusion.

It's BlueDragon, not ColdFusion.

--
Adam

.Net makes many things far easier than CFML. I think MS promised,
anddelivered, up to 75% less hand coding for asp.net. Many laborious things
that need hand coding in cfml are done automatically, or with controls, in
asp.net.

Keep in mind, cfml is really only for smaller websites. The tools or
language features for large websites with many team members just don't
exist, or are only very basic, in the cf world. Heck, cf doesn't even have a
pro coding environment! The best you get is a basic eclipse plug-in
(Dreamweaver barely even deserves a mention here, its a designers tool)


"<newbie />" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Last year, myspace.com switched to New Atlanta's Blue Dragon product
> running on a .NET platform.
>
> Microsoft has built some very compelling tools for the .NET platform.
> If you have not already used them, I suggest you do a thorough evaluation.
>
> Even if they are just Hello World examples.
>
> ie.
> * Display a formatted resultset of a database query (numbers, dates,
> currency)
> * Create a three step form
> * Create a form that will send an email
> * Create a form that uploads a file
> * Create a page that reads/writes a file
> * Create a page that uses try/catch
> * Display a resultset that allows users to sort columns, hide columns, etc
> * Create a page that has complex conditional if/else logic
> * Create a page with looping constructs, grouping/joining query results
> * Create a page that uses existing Java, C, C++ code
>
> This is a short list but it gave me some basis of what it would be like to
> develop
> in CFMX vs .NET.
>
>
> Good luck!
>
>

> myspace.com by the way is built with ColdFusion.

They are ditching coldfusion and going with asp.net - several rumours as to
why, but this is definitely the case. Coldfusion is out.


"davidsimms" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> mpc,
>
> By "large-scale web site," I assume The Jimmy is talking about a site like
> myspace.com--the single most heavily trafficked site in North America
> right now
> according to a report I read in the last month.
>
> myspace.com by the way is built with ColdFusion.
>
> David
>

Last year, myspace.com switched to New Atlanta's Blue Dragon product
running on a .NET platform.

Microsoft has built some very compelling tools for the .NET platform.
If you have not already used them, I suggest you do a thorough evaluation.

Even if they are just Hello World examples.

ie.
* Display a formatted resultset of a database query (numbers, dates, currency)
* Create a three step form
* Create a form that will send an email
* Create a form that uploads a file
* Create a page that reads/writes a file
* Create a page that uses try/catch
* Display a resultset that allows users to sort columns, hide columns, etc
* Create a page that has complex conditional if/else logic
* Create a page with looping constructs, grouping/joining query results
* Create a page that uses existing Java, C, C++ code

This is a short list but it gave me some basis of what it would be like to develop
in CFMX vs .NET.


Good luck!

mpc,

By "large-scale web site," I assume The Jimmy is talking about a site like myspace.com--the single most heavily trafficked site in North America right now according to a report I read in the last month, and certainly a site that qualifies as "large scale."

myspace.com by the way is built with ColdFusion.

David