Even more signs of CF's continued demise

In article <fcp7r5$91k$1@forums.macromedia.com> "craigkaminsky"
<info@imageaid.net> wrote:
> And that's hysterical they'll still take your subscription. Makes
> sense really. I'm sure every CF developer is knee-deep in Silverlight
> or whatever the #$^ Microsoft is calling their Flash Flop.

I think it's even more amusing that the CFDJ home page continued
syndicating both my blog and Ben Forta's as we both posted article
slamming Sys-Con for their poor management and shoddy magazines... For
a few days, CFDJ proudly carried posts saying "Good Riddance" and
"Hurrah! CFDJ is dead!" and "Sys-Con digs a deeper hole by slamming
ColdFusion community"...

I do agree tho' that seeing the Computer World article and then CFDJ's
collapse could be construed as portents of CF's demise by those not in
the know.

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re: > But Andy, Dreamweaver is not an IDE for ColdFusion.... remember???

What, from my point of view or Adobes? Not sure what your point is here?

Anyhoo - point is, CF is being left to die when Adobe could be doing a heck
of a lot more to save it. The signs/proof is everywhere these days. I doubt
even the likes of PaulH could argue the toss any longer - Adobe suck at
coldfusion, period.





"tclaremont" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> But Andy, Dreamweaver is not an IDE for ColdFusion.... remember???

I totally agree that the CFDJ site is awful...to say the least. Actually, it may be one of the most annoying sites I have visited in some time. I love the SCREAMING audio that you cannot stop until after it starts. I really won't miss it.

And that's hysterical they'll still take your subscription. Makes sense really. I'm sure every CF developer is knee-deep in Silverlight or whatever the #$^ Microsoft is calling their Flash Flop.

This thread totally sucks....:-(

It is not so much the fact that CFDJ is folding. Those of us who have been around for a while are completely in tune with the fact that the magazine has been a waste of paper and ink for quite some time, especially at the insame subscription price it was offered at.

The damage is one of perception. Newbie users and decision makers who know nothing about the very subject they are making decisions about are likely to interpret this dissolution as a poor reflection of the technology. This is just bad public relations.

What I really find ironic is that if you go to the CFDJ website, they appear more than happy to accept your new subscription to the magazine, provided you can make your way through the atrocious design of the site and catch a glimpse past the advertisements. Then, in an easy-to-miss blurb below the fold of the page it mentions the news.

Another bit of irony is that parts of the CFDJ site are written in cfm!

A good response to the SYS-CON decision can be read here:
http://www.fusionauthority.com/News/4705-ColdFusion-Developers-Journal-to-Become-Silverlight-Developers-Journal.htm

While I don't feel it's necessary to add to this ongoing debate, I thought this was an interesting perspective from another CF periodical publisher. Several good points in there and, as a subscriber to CFDJ, I'm much fonder of my Fusion Authority subscription. The stuff I read in there (FA, not CFDJ) is of FAR superior quality and use to me.

The CFDJ stuff hasn't been that worthwhile for a while, so I cannot say I am too bummed to see it go.

Again, this is not to add fuel to the flame. Just thought it was an interesting post and perspective on this move by SYS-CON.

But Andy, Dreamweaver is not an IDE for ColdFusion.... remember???

re: Can't we turn this around and give Adobe credit for marketing
Dreamweaver
toward a platform as common as PHP?

Yes, we can turn it around - but thats a totally diffrent issue.

re: If Dreamweaver can pull in some of the PHP crowd, who is to to say
> that those very same PHP programmers won't take a look at the CF tools
> within
> Dreambuster and give CF a try?

Yes, perfectly sensible - not. The php guys adopt DW attracted by develoepr
toolbox features, see CF and how it is less supported in the developer
toolbox, and they say "Jeez, must try this CF product" Less support will
surely attract them - not.

re: > I swear, some people can twist any statement into anything they want.

No statement was twisted - it was presented as is. It was also a reasonable
observation and interpretation.





"tclaremont" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Can't we turn this around and give Adobe credit for marketing Dreamweaver
> toward a platform as common as PHP?
>
> Just last week people were blasting Adobe for poor marketing and failure
> to
> attract. If Dreamweaver can pull in some of the PHP crowd, who is to to
> say
> that those very same PHP programmers won't take a look at the CF tools
> within
> Dreambuster and give CF a try?
>
> I swear, some people can twist any statement into anything they want. How
> this
> can be interpretted as a sign of demise for CF is a far reach.
>
> I am all for Adobe catering to the PHP crowd. If it helps the bottom line
> for
> Dreamweaver sales, great.
>

re: more importantly it doesn't have any
significance as far as adobe's marketing cf goes

Hmm, yes, okay then, showing preference to php has no significance w/r to
marketing CF. We believe you PaulH, ACE.

"PaulH **AdobeCommunityExpert**" <paul@sustainableGIS.com> wrote in message
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> Katsuey wrote:
>> Unfortunately PaulH, the troll is right, it is there:
>
> in my defense it's andy after all, when does he ever get anything right?
> but i guess there's a first time for everything. more importantly it
> doesn't have any significance as far as adobe's marketing cf goes--if you
> know the history of those bits you know *why* php has "more" right now.
>
> it's still andy's same old same old fraud as far as i'm concerned. there
> isn't anything to discuss, it's just andy grant & i've already wasted too
> much time.
>

This does seem like a serious disconnect, maybe several, between Adobe marketing, development, management and the various product divisions. Why would any company market a product that gives a leg up for a competitive product line of a different division?

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