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Anonymous

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Future of Coldfusion?

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June 22, 2006
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hmmm... anybody knows whats the future of Coldfusion, now thats its under Adobe? Where can i find out more info? Thanks

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Correct answer Damon_Cooper

Hey guys, sorry I'm coming to this thread late. WRT the future of ColdFusion, we're doing some great and exciting things on the ColdFusion team I think you'll love.

We just released the ColdFusioin "Mystic" release, that went out simultaneously with Flex 2, first off. It's version numbered "7.0.2", but don't let the small digits fool you. There is a massive investment in 7.0.2, including new adapters, gateways, a completely revamped reporting engine and ReportBuilder, built-in support for Flex FDS (and push/pull, publish/subcribe messaging), support for the new Flash Remoting AMF3 protocol, updated patches and latest security fixes and (in FlexBuilder 2), a complete set of amazing plugins that make FlexBuilder (and/or Eclipse in general) a massively productive environment for CF developers (especially if you're doing Flex 2 development).

There's even a wizard that'll generate a multi-tier MVC, async, best practice, secured Flex 2 application and ColdFusion backend DAO CFCs, (and it even sets up your FlexBuilder 2 project for you automatically)!

Simultanously, however, we've been working on the next major release of ColdFusion, code-named "Scorpio" (likely ColdFusion 8), and we're well into development of this new release. We have soe amazing stuff in this release, as well as some stuff you probably expect, now that the ColdFusion team gets access to the various Adobe internal code libraries, etc :)

ColdFusion has done amazing from a business prespective, expecially since the release of ColdFusion 7, and we're located in the "Enterprise and Developer Business Unit", at the top level, alongside Flex and LiveCycle product lines.

In short, we're rockin and have all the support we could ask for at the highest levels of the company, and we're well positioned to change the world (again!) with ColdFusion 8.

Damon Cooper
Director of Engineering, ColdFusion
Adobe

tclaremont

Inspiring

Let's narrow it down a bit for the newcomers..

Andy, Elmo, Silas, Wanderer, Ferrus, Albert, Tracey, Calisto, Jemski, DannyBoy, Ronnie, Earnest, Worzel, Gumshoe, Rambo

Let me know if I missed anyone...

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dpretlor

Inspiring

If you suspect someone on here has multiple personality disorder then why do you even bother responding to them? I have seen these same type of posts before and I do believe that someone has a serious case of MPD. It takes two people to argue. If you believe that CF has a future then why argue about it or even discuss it?

The technology world changes so fast who knows what has a future. Ask someone who was a VB6 developer like me.

If you think CF has no future then why are you even here discussing it? It seems that the person you suspect of having MPD (not saying any names) spends an awful lot of time in the forums of the product that he/she/it believes has no future.

Now, whats very interesting is that the person that we suspect of having MPD will probably be the first and maybe the only one to respond to this!!!!

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Anonymous

I really think that there should be no worry about the future of CF after CFUnited. It is being positioned as the perfect companion to Flex and Flex Data Services....In fact, it IS the perfect companion to Flex and FDS. Give it some time and CF will mature into it's new role.

As far as CF not being robust, well I fully disagree. CF has proven itself to be an enterprise ready and capable platform time and time again. The fact that it's a J2EE app signifies that it is enterprise worthy. Most of the "robustness" issues I've seen with CF have been a result of code, not the product itself.

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JPfeff

Known Participant

Article on the future of ColdFusion:

What I Learned at CFUNITED 2006

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Newsgroup_User

Inspiring

> Simultanously, however, we've been working on the next major release of
> ColdFusion, code-named "Scorpio" (likely ColdFusion 8), and we're well into

When's the beta, Damon? I used to get invited onto such things when I was
@ Straker in NZ, but my old email address is dead now, so don't get the
notifications any more. Can I get my new email address added to the
notification list for when the beta comes around (not email address
attached to this posting... I'll give you a better one if you contact me
via email)?

Cheers.

--
Adam

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Damon_CooperCorrect answer

Participant

Hey guys, sorry I'm coming to this thread late. WRT the future of ColdFusion, we're doing some great and exciting things on the ColdFusion team I think you'll love.

We just released the ColdFusioin "Mystic" release, that went out simultaneously with Flex 2, first off. It's version numbered "7.0.2", but don't let the small digits fool you. There is a massive investment in 7.0.2, including new adapters, gateways, a completely revamped reporting engine and ReportBuilder, built-in support for Flex FDS (and push/pull, publish/subcribe messaging), support for the new Flash Remoting AMF3 protocol, updated patches and latest security fixes and (in FlexBuilder 2), a complete set of amazing plugins that make FlexBuilder (and/or Eclipse in general) a massively productive environment for CF developers (especially if you're doing Flex 2 development).

There's even a wizard that'll generate a multi-tier MVC, async, best practice, secured Flex 2 application and ColdFusion backend DAO CFCs, (and it even sets up your FlexBuilder 2 project for you automatically)!

Simultanously, however, we've been working on the next major release of ColdFusion, code-named "Scorpio" (likely ColdFusion 8), and we're well into development of this new release. We have soe amazing stuff in this release, as well as some stuff you probably expect, now that the ColdFusion team gets access to the various Adobe internal code libraries, etc :)

ColdFusion has done amazing from a business prespective, expecially since the release of ColdFusion 7, and we're located in the "Enterprise and Developer Business Unit", at the top level, alongside Flex and LiveCycle product lines.

In short, we're rockin and have all the support we could ask for at the highest levels of the company, and we're well positioned to change the world (again!) with ColdFusion 8.

Damon Cooper
Director of Engineering, ColdFusion
Adobe

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billli

Participant

Actually, besides new features, we also need a more robust version of ColdFusion. Hopefully, the well-known bugs, such as CFDocument for converting image files, the frequent deadlock for CF version 7.0.1, can be fixed.

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Damon_Cooper

Participant

We've got fixes for cfdocument in 7.0.2 that have to do with some edge-case image display issues, but if yo're referring to the ability to code yourself an endless loop (where 1=1, etc), in CFML, that's not something we're looking at addressing. You can code yourself an endless loop in pretty much any programming language! :)

Damon

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dlasley

Participating Frequently

Ok, first off, you do realize that all this is idle speculation since no one on this thread has access to Adobe sales numbers, balance sheets, support agreements, and projected volumes? :-)

Regardless:

>>Yeah, just checked it out - looks like PaulH was wrong, barely anyone
(comparatively) in Asia uses it.

>>>>Has everyone forgotten Forta keeps a list?

I'm not so sure I would agree with that. Between Tashnet, Exabytes, and Shinjuru, there are likely hundreds of reseller sites hosted on various flavors of CF. PHP and Java are obviously strong, but I see a lot of space dedicated to the more expensive CF and ASP hosting plans.

Speaking of Tashnet, I love this quote:
"It's true we are not meant to be flashy but we will do the job."

If only more IT "professionals" took that to heart ...

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Newsgroup_User

Inspiring

> (a) you can still find
lots of CF job listings on Monster all the time

by far the minority.

>>b) the vast majoroty of
> public ISPs have supported CF for years and still do

huh? Its the other way around. Most do not support it and those that do
usually charge extra.

>>(c) many, many large
corporations and government agencies prefer CF over pretty much anything
else
out there.

Many might, but most do not.

>> I agree the pricetag is their biggest stumbling block and .NET is now
>> getting
easier to use than the previous ASP setup

Right, it is expensive but for many, with little to offer for the expense.
It needs a professional IDE OR a drop in price. That kind of money, but with
no IDE - kind of makes it far easier for the competition.

>>but I really don't think CF is going
away anytime soon.

No, it makes sense for many people, particulalry newbies breaking into
dynamic web development.

>>I personally do not see why this keeps coming up.

Becuase cf has been through several owners each of who failed to seriously
compete with MS or the PHP crowd, it is not widely adopted, it is expensive,
there are not so many jobs around in many parts of the world, lots of
developers in work places pass on the vibe that cf is dead or that they do
not her of it much anymore, and MS, Sun and the PHP crowd seem to be
overwhelmingly dominating where cf is viewed by many as a niche product.
Heaps of reason why it keeps coming up - none really justify the cfis dead
theory, but they do seem to get people nervous.

>> yes, we are allowed our opinions, so please refrain from flaming for no
>> real
reason;

Well, thats IceBorer for you, its all too personal. Perhaps theres another
eason it keeps coming up, too much insecurity on display. There seem t be
quite afew folk round these parts that do not respond well to the idea that
cf may not be the perfect platform for all of us on all occasions.

"SafariTECH" <contact@safaritech.com> wrote in message
news:e7rjq0$1pf$1@forums.macromedia.com...
>I personally do not see why this keeps coming up.
>
> yes, we are allowed our opinions, so please refrain from flaming for no
> real
> reason; however, unless Adobe makes it known they will pull the plug, CF
> will
> be just as safe as it has been for the past many years.
>
> I am not certain where some info came from, beacause (a) you can still
> find
> lots of CF job listings on Monster all the time, (b) the vast majoroty of
> public ISPs have supported CF for years and still do, and (c) many, many
> large
> corporations and government agencies prefer CF over pretty much anything
> else
> out there.
>
> I agree the pricetag is their biggest stumbling block and .NET is now
> getting
> easier to use than the previous ASP setup, but I really don't think CF is
> going
> away anytime soon.
>
> We do nothing but CF programming and right now I have more work than time
> to
> do it!
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Keiko

Inspiring

Maybe Adobe needs to state this statement at www.adobe.com as what they've already stated it at www.cfunited.com

"Adobe continues to be deeply committed to the ColdFusion product and the long-time, loyal ColdFusion community. Now part of the Adobe product family, a world of new opportunities open up for the future of ColdFusion."

I like ColdFusion, I have been using ColdFusion since version 5.0 and the technology/language is good. But I guess the marketing is pretty poor. So it couldn't really penetrate into many market segments. It may be due to it's license cost. In Asia, you can hardly find ColdFusion programmers and schools do not teach ColdFusion as one of their programming lectures. That's way it is less popular in Asia. I don't know how it is in U.S. and Europe.

Maybe Adobe should look into this issue and I really hope the future is good.

Keiko

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tooMuchTrouble

Inspiring

asia's rather a huge and diverse place to make that kind of generalization. just to set you straight: in malaysia, they're positively mad about coldfusion. many thai gov agencies and state enterprises use coldfusion and have done so for many years. i know of a couple/three major univ that teach and use coldfusion here.

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TSB

Inspiring

One issue I have is with the developer's edition. Two IP's are not enough for a team to develop and test an application. We have 1 production server running CF standard. We have one development server running the developer's edition.

We have loaded railo on a server and tested it to see about porting over. Everything works except for 1 cftag. When railo supports that tag we may abandon the Adobe version of CF and run the railo version.

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SafariTECH

Inspiring

I personally do not see why this keeps coming up.

yes, we are allowed our opinions, so please refrain from flaming for no real reason; however, unless Adobe makes it known they will pull the plug, CF will be just as safe as it has been for the past many years.

I am not certain where some info came from, because (a) you can still find lots of CF job listings on Monster all the time, (b) the vast majority of public ISPs have supported CF for years and still do, and (c) many, many large corporations and government agencies prefer CF over pretty much anything else out there.

I agree the pricetag is their biggest stumbling block and .NET is now getting easier to use than the previous ASP setup, but I really don't think CF is going away anytime soon.

We do nothing but CF programming and right now I have more work than time to do it!

The next version is in production as we speak, and I (for one) am waiting for it to show up.

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Anonymous

It stays alive thanks to our multi-aliased little forum troll, Andy. Why I and others respond to it...who knows.

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frank_tudor

Inspiring

Relax your nerves.

Adobe is behind it 100%. Read this!

Frank
300site.com

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