Should I use Coldfusion?

re: My brain hurts just trying to fathom all the capabilites of something
with
gazillions of features.

Your brain probably hurts just trying to fathom :)

"tclaremont" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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>I dunno. Dictionary.com defines gazillion as:
>
> an extremely large, indeterminate number.
>
> So, although it is indeterminate, the definition conceeds that it is
> extremely
> large. This ambiguous game continues as we try to define "extremely".
> Apparently it is is large, but we don't know how large. This is heavy
> stuff.
>
> My brain hurts just trying to fathom all the capabilites of something with
> gazillions of features.
>

I dunno. Dictionary.com defines gazillion as:

an extremely large, indeterminate number.

So, although it is indeterminate, the definition conceeds that it is extremely large. This ambiguous game continues as we try to define "extremely". Apparently it is is large, but we don't know how large. This is heavy stuff.

My brain hurts just trying to fathom all the capabilites of something with gazillions of features.

I feel the coldfusion is strong with this one.

Andley still typing one handed?

Wow! 6 pages?

I think this thread shows Coldfusion is ALIVE and KICKING :-)

re: Most of us are Americans.

I realise this - and thats why its hard for you guys to relate to the demise
of coldfusion outside of this context.

re: We love to spend money on extravagant things.

Thats not an "American" thing - thats a "have money to waste" thing.




"tclaremont" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Most of us are Americans. We love to spend money on extravagant things.

Most of us are Americans. We love to spend money on extravagant things.

re: This is no joke.
I would honestly guesstimate your age to be around 14 based strictly on your
antics in these forums.

Funny - I hear "obviously knows his stuff" and "is a 14 yeard old kid" -
wonder which to go with. Nothing you can do to change the point that I have
made my point, made it well, fully backed it up and have influenced more
than a few folk to make a more informed decision.

re: YOU created that
> scenario, not us.

I beg to differ - you did. I'd say "people like you who continually feed
this" but I can be quite specific and say you in particular more so than
anybody else has fuelled this and assisted in its "creation".

re: EVEN IF WE AGREED WITH YOUR STANCE

Many do - and you have witnessed this so much that it explains why YOU are
constantly fuelling / co-creating this. (Don't blame you however.)

re: Again, don't
blame US for how YOU come across.

Serously, I dont care how I come accross or if I can or can't spell
"Serously" properly (or can I?). I don't even care if yo think (oops, was
that "yo" instead of "you"?) I'm not credible I admit - fact is the argument
is so well supported that I don't need to be credible, folk can very quickly
arrive at their own conclusions. As in - "gee, no books, limited hosting, no
jobs blah blah blah " It doesn't matter one iota about my credibility when
people don't need to depend on it as their only source of information.

As for multiple aliases and just one person - barking up the wrong tree
here, but so painfully close.

"tclaremont" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Andley, YOU are attempting to dissuade people from adopting CF, you
> hypocrite.
> Don't "bang" the adoption. DO something about it. By the way, telling
> people
> that you THINK the adoption is low is not the same as doing something
> about it
> you armchair quarterback. Either get in the game or take your ball and go
> home.
>
> The middle and high school kids that I mentor have better communication
> and
> rationalization skills than you do. Between the aliases, the poor
> spelling, the
> double-talk and the same three arguments, your credibility is too far gone
> to
> enable you to even convince someone that the sky is blue. YOU created that
> scenario, not us.
>
> If you truly want to influence the future of CF (or any other item in
> society
> for that matter) in either a positive OR a negative way you are going to
> have
> to gain credibility. You have none of that. (By the way, it is not up to
> YOU to
> determine if you have any credibility) The aliases and the resultant
> denial of
> the aliases was your doing, not ours.
>
> People highly skilled and highly successful in CF, and with far better
> communication skills and credibility than yourself are always going to be
> more
> influential to new users than you and your tack. The fact that this has
> escaped
> you leaves most of us wondering if you are an immature child. This is no
> joke.
> I would honestly guesstimate your age to be around 14 based strictly on
> your
> antics in these forums.
>
> You have maintained the same stance under at least 25 aliases with the
> same,
> consistent, poor result, and yet you persist. Does this sound like the
> thought
> process of a logical, sane person? EVEN IF WE AGREED WITH YOUR STANCE, it
> would
> make no sense to keep up the charade of aliases and poorly developed
> diatribes.
> You can't expect people to believe anything an illogical person says or
> does.
> Combine that with the fact that you are preaching in a freakin' ColdFusion
> SUPPORT forum and your approach just makes you look like a fool. Again,
> don't
> blame US for how YOU come across.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Andley, YOU are attempting to dissuade people from adopting CF, you hypocrite. Don't "bang" the adoption. DO something about it. By the way, telling people that you THINK the adoption is low is not the same as doing something about it you armchair quarterback. Either get in the game or take your ball and go home.

The middle and high school kids that I mentor have better communication and rationalization skills than you do. Between the aliases, the poor spelling, the double-talk and the same three arguments, your credibility is too far gone to enable you to even convince someone that the sky is blue. YOU created that scenario, not us.

If you truly want to influence the future of CF (or any other item in society for that matter) in either a positive OR a negative way you are going to have to gain credibility. You have none of that. (By the way, it is not up to YOU to determine if you have any credibility) The aliases and the resultant denial of the aliases was your doing, not ours.

People highly skilled and highly successful in CF, and with far better communication skills and credibility than yourself are always going to be more influential to new users than you and your tack. The fact that this has escaped you leaves most of us wondering if you are an immature child. This is no joke. I would honestly guesstimate your age to be around 14 based strictly on your antics in these forums.

You have maintained the same stance under at least 25 aliases with the same, consistent, poor result, and yet you persist. Does this sound like the thought process of a logical, sane person? EVEN IF WE AGREED WITH YOUR STANCE, it would make no sense to keep up the charade of aliases and poorly developed diatribes. You can't expect people to believe anything an illogical person says or does. Combine that with the fact that you are preaching in a freakin' ColdFusion SUPPORT forum and your approach just makes you look like a fool. Again, don't blame US for how YOU come across.

Ummmm... a healthy industy IS being sustained around it.

I am part of that industry. MaryJo is part of that industry. Craig is part of that industry. Bank of America is part of that industy. etc. etc. ad nauseum. Just because YOU are not part of that industry does not mean there is no industry.

Your skills are obviously not at a point where you can make a living with CF. Fair enough. Don't blame CF. The web works all around the world. There is no reason you cannot use CF from Austrailia while developing a site for someone in a CF hotbed. People do it all the time. I get a good lot of my programming done from my vacation home on the river. The customer does not care where I sit. They care about what I accomplish.


Don't come into an arena full of people who DO make a living with CF and expect sympathy. Go to a .NET arena and get all the high fives you want for ditching ColdFusion. That should adequately pad your ego.

Alternatively, you could do as I suggested in an earlier post and MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

Short sighted people may need a tool that has the biggest user base, or the biggest company behind it, or the most books on the shelf. I don't need a tool that has reached "critical mass". I need a tool that allows me to get the job done. I have that in CF. When management wants answers, I provide them via ColdFusion.

If and when ColdFusion becomes no longer viable, I will move on to that "flavor of the month" language and keep on providing solutions. You see, my primary loyalty is to getting the job done.

You and I are apparently web developers. I can make a healthy living with CF, while you cannot. Does that say more about CF, or does it say more about you????

>I hear what you are saying - but it simply isn't typical feedback. The CF
>death issue IS very real to MANY people.

Only because trolls like you run around spreading the same message
every time CF has a new release. The only time I ever hear about
the "death of CF" is on one of these news groups.