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February 26, 2018
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CSS Grid and Variables

  • February 26, 2018
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So to be clear, I have been a loyal supporter of DW since before Adobe acquired it from Macromedia, I owned GoLive and used it for many years, but I have to say I am very disappointed in the support we have today for CSS Grid and Variables - two things that are destined to make design for the web a shit ton easier... Adobe is way behind the curve on these... since Oct of 2017 this, put simply, has been the only way to design for the web. Nothing else makes sense. I believe I am moving to MS VS Code, because it is even better than Brackets in responding to the evolution of the web. But I want the powers that be at Adobe to know why they have lost my loyalty and my money... and to those struggling designers out there that wish to keep up. The clear choice is VS Studio Code - it is FREE, it works and it supports the latest algorithms published by the leading web browsers... you can see changes in your advanced CSS in real time... no preprocessors, no git, no bs.

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    B i r n o u
    Legend
    March 2, 2018

    since the beginning of this thread I have read carefully all the exchanges, and several times I almost dared to answer and then I did not ... but it's interesting to see the directions that each exchange took ..

    pziecina
    Legend
    March 2, 2018

    https://forums.adobe.com/people/B+i+r+n+o+u  wrote

    since the beginning of this thread I have read carefully all the exchanges, and several times I almost dared to answer and then I did not ... but it's interesting to see the directions that each exchange took ..

    Go on Birnou, be a devil and join in .

    pziecina
    Legend
    February 26, 2018

    The more I look at Dreamweaver, the pre-release/cab participants and the feature requests Dw has, the more I don't blame Dw for its lack of support for many features.

    Requests for support of many old techs that now have less than a 1% market share, that also appear to have a higher than expected support base (20+ votes) compared to other feature requests, often simply because those using them have ignored what is happening in IT and web development, can only contribute to the Dw team ignoring what is happening, and explains in some ways the lack of support for modern W3C specs. This only illustrates that many Dw user are more interested in support for old methods and server techs that are being abandoned, than they are in the future.

    Developers have been adopting flexbox for a number of years now, and css animations, but Dw has ignored this trend because many of those using Dw simply have no idea how to use Flexbox or css animations. That statement may be true for you, or not, but like everything else in Dw it shows how little the avarage Dw user thinks of anything beyond what has been available since IE6.

    css grid layouts and variables have been discussed in this forum a number of times, but unless Bootstrap starts using both in the next version, (5) don't expect good support until then, and certainly don't expect anyone to take notice of anything said in this forum.

    Nancy OShea
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    February 26, 2018

    DW does not do everything I would like it to -- currently, no editor does.  But DW does many things very well and that's why I keep using it. 

    Nancy O'Shea— Product User & Community Expert
    pziecina
    Legend
    February 26, 2018

    https://forums.adobe.com/people/Nancy+OShea  wrote

    DW does not do everything I would like it to -- currently, no editor does.  But DW does many things very well and that's why I keep using it. 

    I'm not saying Dw is all bad, just that a lot of the complaints I read are about lack of support for features that users should have stopped using years ago, and many of the newer specs and requirerments are probably getting lost amongst the number of 'feature requests' to bring back support for those old techs.

    That said, when the Dw team fails to know what is happening in web development, then Dw and its users are only going to suffer.

    WolfShade
    Legend
    February 26, 2018

    I've been using DW since shortly before Allaire was acquired by Macromedia.  I'm not exactly thrilled with a lot of things that Adobe does.  I was especially incensed when Adobe removed CF support from DW.  I have been very critical of Adobe in the past, and have a sneaking suspicion that I will for a while.

    I have CC 13.1 on this workstation, and DW CS5.5 on my development system, and the difference is night and day - CS5.5 is way better than CC 13.1.  And don't get me started on CFB.  Whomever thought it was a good idea to remove any possibility of activating an application unless there is an internet connection should be fired.  Our development network is air-gapped from the internet, so we can't use CFB.  Which is oddly comforting because I've seen CFB3 and didn't like anything about it.  But that's another thread.

    I can get extensions (I think?) to put the CF support back in to CC.  I know that can be done in Brackets, but I can't get used to the way Brackets previews in browser.

    The point is, have you checked to see if there are any extensions that can accomplish what you are seeking?  Even though they removed the Extension Manager, I believe you can still install extensions.

    V/r,

    ^ _ ^

    Legend
    February 26, 2018

    mtartist  wrote

    The clear choice is VS Studio Code - it is FREE, it works and it supports the latest algorithms published by the leading web browsers... you can see changes in your advanced CSS in real time... no preprocessors, no git, no bs.

    Depends how you look at things VS Code has no intuitive snippets creator or snippets panel, it has no file management......does that make it way behind? Funny this editors 'wars' none really cut it - they all have something desirable missing. Its a case of picking the best from a really, really bad bunch.

    pziecina
    Legend
    February 26, 2018

    osgood_  wrote

    Depends how you look at things VS Code has no intuitive snippets creator or snippets panel, it has no file management......does that make it way behind?

    VS Code does have some projects managment features via extensions, that offer some of Dw's file managment features, (file paths, etc) and extensions for snippets but no panel.

    Legend
    February 26, 2018

    pziecina  wrote

    osgood_   wrote

    Depends how you look at things VS Code has no intuitive snippets creator or snippets panel, it has no file management......does that make it way behind?

    VS Code does have some projects managment features via extensions, that offer some of Dw's file managment features, (file paths, etc) and extensions for snippets but no panel.

    Can you remember what these extensions are called because I havent come across them?

    Inspiring
    February 26, 2018

    Hi mtartist

    Another alternative, which I'm not sure if you have looked at it is Pinegrow. It supports CSS Grid & Variables and so much more, through its - visual tools, direct code and live in app preview.

    Here is a basic overview of Pinegrow and CSS Grid aspect:

    https://medium.com/@mattront/how-to-learn-css-grid-with-pinegrow-e865ece2e137

    It might be something worth looking into, based upon the things you wrote in your post. It also works directly with Atom, and can be used with various other editors also.