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Muse users thinking about using Dreamweaver.

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March 30, 2018
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Dreamweaver is seen by many Muse users as to difficult to use, that may not really be a realistic view.

With the use of Dreamweaver extensions, it is often possible to build a fully responsive site using the latest html and css, (and javascript or server-side/database) without having to 'dive into the code'.

If you are interested and want to know more, information on Project Seven and the high quality extensions they offer can be found at -

http://projectseven.com

DMXZone also offer extensions for Dreamweaver, and the server-side/database extensions are considered the best, so will also be of interest to many -

https://www.dmxzone.com

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pziecinaAuthor

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Once again we are completely away from the original discussion, which is O/K, but I am not reading anything new.

Somewhere among all the posts I wrote that 95% of sites probably do not use 95% of html5 and css. However that 95% of sites do not all use the same 5% of html5 and css, and the ability to use that other 95% of html5 and css is important.

I do not work on the same type of sites that most people do, and I certainly do not compete in the 'build in a day' site construction. However if I did I would recommend to others Pinegrow and use Pinegrow myself, simply because it offers what for me is a simple site construction UI, which when used with a free code editor such as vs code, gives a cheap and simple set-up.

The question for me that requires answering for Muse users considering Dw, (and the original topic of this discussion was about Muse users considering Dw) is just what Dw offers as a visual UI, and if those features can be used without 'diving into the code'?

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osgood_

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pziecina wrote
is just what Dw offers as a visual UI, and if those features can be used without 'diving into the code'?

Not nearly enough and whats more if it did would it be able to provide whats going on inside each individuals head, no. It becomes a cookie cutter program/solution, maybe suitable for those with less expecations, mass market, like all the other programs/frameworks afore mentioned.

pziecinaAuthor

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osgood_ wrote
Not nearly enough and whats more if it did would it be able to provide whats going on inside each individuals head, no. It becomes a cookie cutter program/solution, maybe suitable for those with less expecations, mass market, like all the other programs/frameworks afore mentioned.

So I can take that as a no, Dw is not suitable for ex-Muse users wanting a visual method of producing web sites .

Anyone else like to add a yes or a no for Dw's suitability?

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osgood_

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Im not sure Muse users have the ability to 'think'. If they had they probably would not have used Muse.

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musegirl

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I disagree with the statement that Muse users do not have the ability to think. It does require thinking even to use muse. I know how to code and used Dreamweaver for years until I found Muse. Coding is constantly evolving and sometimes for a lot of us we do not have the time to keep up, and service our clients at the same time especially if we are a one man band.

pziecinaAuthor

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musegirl wrote
Coding is constantly evolving and sometimes for a lot of us we do not have the time to keep up, and service our clients at the same time especially if we are a one man band.

Then tough.

I don't mind Muse users saying they find code difficult, but your statement implies that coders have nothing to do but learn what is happening and how to use all the new coding features.

They do not, they must also produce sites, handle clients, and deal with the 1001 other things that are necessary. They learn the new features in their own time, sacrifice holiday time, stay at home and learn instead of going out with family and friends, all just so they can keep up with what is required for their work.

Designers and 'one man bands' are no worse off than anyone else.

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W_J_T

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pziecina wrote
realistic view

Are you gonna likewise layout and discuss all the things you have previously talked about regarding being disappointed with Dreamweaver's development, features and progress. ~~ Joking, I guess that may defeat the purpose.

pziecinaAuthor

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I'm I think not a typical Dw user, in fact I'm probably not a typical web developer in that I only work with or on very large browser based back-room apps.

All I want to do with this discussion is help people not to get stuck with another Adobe Muse EOL situation in the future. For me that means at least making the sites they create transferable to any other editor/ide, if that includes using extensions, then providing those extensions generate code that they can work with in the future, (even without the extension) I'll try and help.

I'll also try and get them to code it themselves .

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osgood_

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Even if the code that an extension/widget has generated is portable how is the developer going to change the code if needs be, that is almost exclusively done via a user interface which is exclusive to a particular program.

Any automated workflow whether it be Webflow, Wix, etc is only as good as its sell by date, thats something the user has zero contol over.

ALsp

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We're releasing a very useful tool... a convenience item that will enable users to add and edit styled text links, individual buttons, and lists of buttons. Our beta testers are wild about it. We could announce it on Adobe forums in a laid back way, of course, but I don't want to get accidentally banned for spam again. We could even consider a special intro offer for forum users. I just need some reassurances before taking the plunge.

Nancy OShea

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I have posted this to all mods in the Backroom, Moderator's, and ACP Topics forums.

"For any of you who don't already know, Muse and Business Catalyst are going EOL soon and users need advice on alternatives -- not necessarily from Adobe's product line.

Adobe Muse EOL announcement - Alternatives to Adobe Muse?

You will see many posts with links that are NOT SPAM. Please don't move these posts to Holding Room or penalize people for spamming.

Some of the names/links you will see include but are not limited to: