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pziecina
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April 20, 2018
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Now the dust has settled!

  • April 20, 2018
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It's been a few weeks now since Adobe anounced the EOL of Muse and BC, and whilst most Muse users are annoyed with Adobes decission, a few interesting items have been highlighted in the discussions about the EOL.

  • Muse was not being used by many as was first intended.
  • There was no creativity being shown by most Muse users.
  • Adobe is moving away from the small site creator.
  • The Adobe experiance cloud in partnership with Microsoft is Adobes priority.

The first two items are self explanitory, and when mentioned in discussions mainly ignored.

Now for the last two, and how they may affect web developers.

Everything major over the last few years regarding the web has moved away from small sites. Small personal sites are now in the main 'social media' sites, with facebook taking the largest share. I don't think many developers would even consider building a buisness model on personal web site creation anymore. Also as Adobe stated in the EOL of Muse announcement, small business sites are now well served by diy site creation tools, costing the site owner nothing.

So where does Adobe intend to go, and how far will it move away from the traditional user of this the Dw forum, or other forums?

A few of you will remember a few postings from the Adobe XD program asking for examples of using XD with Dw. To my knowledge no one posted anything, and when asked for examples or user cases the XD staff said they had none and had not used or taken into account using Dw for XD.

If you go over to the Experiance Cloud pages, Adobe has teamed up with Microsoft and is using its Azure platform -

https://www.adobe.com/uk/enterprise/microsoft-partnership/digital-foundation-azure.html

which is very easy to use with Microsoft web development products, and can be used with Dw, but not easily.

If Adobe is moving away from the small site creator, (ignoring the id£0ts who used Muse to create sites with 100's of static pages), and intends to focus on professional business sites, which require marketing, consumer experience and analytic solutions also, then I was wondering if what we read in many of the user to user forums about the web not being a products main user base, is now valid.

Most examples shown in the Experiance Cloud site, are for back-end solutions, with the front-end hardly getting a mention until one comes to the user experiance. Even then both are tied together as one complete system, (which is sensible) showing that the back-end is NOT just a cms, but also part of the user experiance.

Whilst Azure can use php, it is mainly .net based and trying to use Dw for .net is a complete none-starter.

If Adobe is promoting the use of Azure and the Microsoft cloud, (part of the partnership) then where does that leave Dw, Animate and Cold fussion? None of which I would recommend for use with .net.

Add to that, Microsoft web dev tools support much, much more of html5, css and javascript than Dw, or many other ide's. Is it now time to stop and take a look at what is happening again, and are the major players like Adobe and Microsoft finally growing up to what the serious web developers require, by saying that those only requiring small sites should use, facebook, adobe portfolio or diy site creation tools?

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    osgood_
    Legend
    April 20, 2018

    Im largely going to stay out of this thread as l dont know what adobe experience cloud is but if its anything to go by watching a couple of those videos only a small fraction of companies other than blue chip ones look like they may be able to afford it.

    I dont think much changes really there are still going to be mid sized companies that want a professional presence on the web and will continue to need a professionally developed website, despite using social media.

    Things are changing though and l do think those mid range companies, or even very small start up companies that want to grow will start to require a more analytical based approach rather than just a pretty website.

    As for utility extensions lm with you, bring them on l dont want to sit here all day removing double line spacing when an extension can do that.. l dont  learn anything just removing space and thats when extensions truely come into their own for coders and non coders alike.

    pziecina
    pziecinaAuthor
    Legend
    April 20, 2018

    osgood_  wrote

    Im largely going to stay out of this thread as l dont know what adobe experience cloud is but if its anything to go by watching a couple of those videos only a small fraction of blue chip companies look like they may be able to afford it.

    It's not just blue chip companies that are using EC, (getting tired of typing experiance cloud) but many smaller sites are now using the Analytics part as a stand alone extra, (EC is a mix and match offering, not an all or nothing).

    The problem with EC and the current Adobe product line up for the web, is that none of the Adobe offerings include a back or front-end that can take advantage of them except Adobe XD which is mobile, (smartphone) only. The next version of Adobe Spark is rumoured to include much more than the current offering. If it will be an EC tool though is anyones guess.

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    osgood_
    Legend
    April 20, 2018

    I need to research EC some more before l can comment. Im just basing my posting on the couple of videos which they have chosen to show which  look like those companies would be throwing many thousnds of pounds at their website, have a dedicated IT department etc, so maybe they are not a good representation of who this product is aimed at.

    ALsp
    ALsp
    Legend
    April 20, 2018

    Adobe has always been, and continues to be, a designer-oriented company. Facebook might not have as certain a future as many people think. The web is still a toddler. Your points are all well-stated, but I believe there is insufficient data to prognosticate. Doing futurist-type exercises can be fun, but...

    pziecina
    pziecinaAuthor
    Legend
    April 20, 2018

    As you say AL, it is all pure speculation on my part.

    What interested me was the teaming up with Microsoft and using Azure cloud services. I think it was 20% of Adobes income is now from the Experiance Cloud, which makes it a major player for Adobe.

    What I cannot understand is the Adobe XD product, as it is mobile only, or Cold Fussions future.

    When it comes to using Azure, CS6 (with the C# and .net extension) is better suited for the back end work than the current versions. Yes the code editor says it supports C# and .net, but only a complete sadist would try and use it for anything but learning. Which made me think that Adobe is going to only concentrate on the front-end, but without srcset and a number of other html5 and css features, Dw is not really suited, and far behind VS Pro, (even vs code) which is a pleasure to use with C#, .net and databases for Azure.

    ALsp
    ALsp
    Legend
    April 20, 2018

    ...

    We will be releasing our second HTML Toolkit next week. It will include a tool for doing SRCSET. I know you are allergic to extensions, but we seriously make Dreamweaver better, whether some of the regulars here want to admit it or not. It's kind of like the Dinan chip in my relatively inexpensive BMW 2-series... the one that makes it go faster than an M4 for a fraction of the price

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