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osgood_
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February 14, 2018
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OT: A little bit more about Wappler - confusion

  • February 14, 2018
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I never really could understand DMXzones main website and the myriad of different extension available and what extension would be required to do this or that.........it seems Wappler is going to be just as confusing.

https://wappler.io/extensions.html

Thankfully I have no need for extensions otherwise it would take me a week to understand what ones I needed.

I mean the 'basic' version includes:

App Connect Data Formatter

App Connect Browser

What the heck are they? Doesn't actually say anything about what they do and why you might need them and dont forget we are appealing to 'Bob the Builder' type of developers so if I have no clue they arent going to for sure. A link perhaps to the info on their main site would be good or even better a modal window which pops up detailing in what situation you may need to use them

Does the 'Pro' version contain  all the 'basic & free' extensions???.... the way the info is provided you could be forgiven for not really knowing?

Why not just have 3 headings Free, Basic, Pro and list whats included in each option under the 3 main headings..........far too simple and logical I guess

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    pziecina
    pziecina
    Legend
    February 20, 2018

    OT

    I am seeing that this discussion has been branched to another discussion, (to which I do not have access too). Anyone else seeing this?

    Where is this 'other' discussion, (acp forum)?

    Jon Fritz
    Community Expert
    Jon FritzCommunity Expert
    Community Expert
    February 20, 2018

    I'm not seeing a branch anywhere, are you sure it was this thread?

    pziecina
    pziecina
    Legend
    February 20, 2018

    https://forums.adobe.com/people/Jon+Fritz+II  wrote

    I'm not seeing a branch anywhere, are you sure it was this thread?

    Top of the page, saying that this discussion has been branched to a new discussion -

    https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2454983

    Clicking on the link, gives me the message that I do not have access or authorisation to view content, (remember, I am no longer an acp, or a member of pre-release).

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    W_J_T
    Inspiring
    February 15, 2018

    Well thats disappointing the countdown was not allowed to reach zero, even that was muffed.

    But anyway here it is: Wappler Crowd Funding.

    https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/wappler-world-s-top-visual-web-app-creator-design-website#/

    Ranging from €25 to €10,000 Euros.

    Still no access to 'FREE' version. But for €25 Euros, you get a "Thank You" ... ?

    pziecina
    pziecina
    Legend
    February 15, 2018

    Personally I think the €550, (approx) would be value for money, providing there are no major problems, and a 14 day free trial was offered.

    I know I am certainly not the intended user type for an app such as Wappler, but cost wise compared to a Dw stand alone subscription, and purchasing the Wappler pro bundled extensions for Dw to bring it to the same spec, it is very good value.

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    W_J_T
    Inspiring
    February 15, 2018

    pziecina , it may be a good value for visual creation of dynamic sites, like the Pro version offers.

    I just noticed some further discussion on pricing in the comments of this Blog post about the crowdfunding.

    https://blog.wappler.io/lets-make-history-wappler-crowdfunding-is-launched/

    Also they updated the crowdfund page with the following testimony.

    Wappler Intro from the The Dreamweaver Guru Joseph Lowery

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X9WeOvQ31M

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    W_J_T
    Inspiring
    February 14, 2018

    Back to discussing Wappler for a moment, it appears the lofty self-proclaimed marketing tactics continue.

    Wappler: The Best Web Builder So Far!

    https://medium.com/@boris_dmxzone/wappler-the-best-web-builder-so-far-9-reasons-to-choose-it-1c0a0031c24c

    ...  and apparently they consider it to be the heralded Dreamweaver Killer.

    pziecina
    pziecina
    Legend
    February 14, 2018

    The real trial for Wappler, (if it gets that far) will come a few years after it is released, as it will then have to up-date to support newer methods. How it handles those up-dates will decide if it has a future.

    The problem with proprietary extensions, is that they write proprietary code that cannot be modified easily without the extension.

    This ties the developer into using the development program and the extension(s), and the web site owner into using the developer who created the site. Not necessarily a bad thing initially, but in the long term the developer can only sell their business as a going concern to another developer who is willing to pay for that program and all the required extensions.

    As for the web site owner, they are stuck with finding a developer that uses the same program and extensions, should their developer cease trading, not have time or retire. They are also going to suffer a loss should they wish to sell the site at some point, as a new developer will charge extra to cover the cost of 're-tooling' to the development program and extensions.

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      osgood_Author
      Legend
      February 14, 2018

      pziecina  wrote

      The real trial for Wappler, (if it gets that far) will come a few years after it is released, as it will then have to up-date to support newer methods. How it handles those up-dates will decide if it has a future.

      I got tired with it after all the broken promises for a pubic beta release some months ago, until then I was quietly optimistic but I feel the app is not really going to offer anything more that the dozens of other drag and drop apps out there. The business model is confusing to say the least. It will sell a few but its not going to change the landscape of things...........the wait for a 'complete' coding app for coders continues....or at least one that offers the basic requirements.

        pziecina
        pziecina
        Legend
        February 14, 2018

        osgood_  wrote

        ....the wait for a 'complete' coding app for coders continues....or at least one that offers the basic requirements.

        Agreed.

        The one advantage Wappler may have over other similar apps. for none coders, is its server-side features.

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        W_J_T
        Inspiring
        February 14, 2018

        I find it beyond hilarious that for an app deemed a "visual app" and "no code needed", you can use the Bootstrap grid for free, but need to pay to have a BootStrap Navbar on the same site.

        That should be really beneficial to those whom can't code. so much for the "you will be able to design, build and publish responsive websites", the only covet is "just without a navbar". Let alone common stuff like: animate css, smooth scroll, slideshow, lightbox, forms, mailer, etc., all part of the basic package.

        So out of the gate they are obviously pigeon holing "code free" users into the Basic Package, because any of those people wishing to create a site will need quite a few of the Basic package items to put together a site, including a basic menu/navbar.

        The fact that they are segmenting the navbar is just hilarious though. I feel sorry for folks whom have to rely on "code free" and don't ever learn basic HTML/CSS/JS. They will always be trapped inside and burdened by these apps, in one regard or another. If you can work with syntax and code, you can use apps to enhance your workflow but will never be bond by them.

        Knowledge does not require a subscription, nor does learning.

        At this rate, the free version will probably be part of the crowdfunding as well - pay for early access to the free version. LOL

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        osgood_Author
        Legend
        February 14, 2018

        W_J_T  wrote

        I find it beyond hilarious that for an app deemed a "visual app" and "no code needed", you can use the Bootstrap grid for free, but need to pay to have a BootStrap Navbar on the same site.

        Yes, seems beyond stupid because it makes the FREE version virtualy useless to a non-coder, which is of course what they want.

        W_J_T  wrote

        So out of the gate they are obviously pigeon holing "code free" users into the Basic Package, because any of those people wishing to create a site will need quite a few of the Basic package items to put together a site, including a basic menu/navbar.

        Yup, I see no point in offering the FREE version because only coders can use it and its not an app aimed at coders according to the website mantra.

        W_J_T  wrote

        At this rate, the free version will probably be part of the crowdfunding as well - pay for early access to the free version. LOL

        Hummm....its all very unclear and messy.

          BenPleysier
          Community Expert
          BenPleysierCommunity Expert
          Community Expert
          February 14, 2018

          I wish you'd behave yourself, I'm getting sick of have to OK the post every time 

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