OT: What going on these days?? - Revisited

BenPleysier  wrote In continuation of this topic: OT: What going on these days??  started by osgood_ , have a look what Adobe is doing: Single Page App (SPA) Visual Experience Composer. Have a look at the website Target SPA Demo and view its source code.

I don't know why you need to create a seperate view for 'products_page_2' - that in itself seems sensless as you can append the products to 'products_view_1' using ajax if you are using a database or API call, which you should be if you have a list of products. So does whoever is writing that article really understand how web-development works?

You would only need a second view in a SPA application, in my opinion, if the content in that 2nd or 3rd view wasn't replicating the 1st view - so that's a really bad example which doesn't help to clarify anything. Of course it's more suited to a details page which shows the product.

BenPleysier  wrote I am with you Os, I am getting too old.

Unfortunately there is a necessity to complicate things as each new generation of developers try to make web development appear to be more difficult than it really is or should be, especailly where clients are concerned, portraying it as some kind of mystical magic which we did back in the day, to justify our existence and astronomical costs to the client.

Partly automated processes arrived and swamped the sector, exposing the truth, the simplicity in which a 'stanadard' website, which accounts for the majority of websites, could be developed. This took the shine away from 'real' developers'. Clients became aware of this...so what happens geeks within the industry create more complex workflows with which to 'defraud' clients into believing this complex workflow is required. Yes its genearlly more complex to produce, therefore leveling the status quo again until the next generation and so it goes on.

The sad fact is that developers today and tomorrow will deploy ever more complex and needless workflows to produce simple websites. Let's face it no-one in this forum is going to be producing work for multi-nations, Google, Facebook, Twitter etc where these complex workflows are justified and quite rightly so. Their servers are hit thousand of times a minute so workflows are being deployed to negate this. Mangement is key so all employees, who develop, have to be singing from the same hymn sheet hence the deployment of frameworks such as Bootstrap, which makes sense, however ugly and bloated it is. Its highly unliklely that the majority of websites which an average freelance developer produces will get more than a few hundred hits a week but still they use techniques that are more suited to larger organisations.

You and I may be getting old but I personally like to think - I've been there, seen it, listened to all the bullshite and now follow logic rather than follow sheep. I guess if you work for someone who pressurises you into taking the more use a 'sledgehammer to crack a nut' approach you have no alternative but to use that approach or lose your job.

A lot of developers are really confused these days by the plethora of worflows - which to learn, which to avoid wasting time on. This leads to frustration and burn-out very quickly as they feel they cant keep up but there will always be a 2nd tier of developers waiting to replace them. As I say its now like being on a run away train.

I'm currently not taking on any more new builds for the forseeable future, unless they offer some kind of different challenge for me but instead I'm just concentrating on managing the portofilo of websites built up over a number of years. When they go I think that will be it for me. I might just dabble around but I don't think I will apply as much time to this as I currently do now, largely for me job satisfaction has gone.

It's definitely interesting Ben and definitely where a lot of development is going. Honestly I find myself in this Adobe Target realm that you posted about more and more. Not with Adobe products as much, but with competitive solutions that do the same thing on the enterprise level. Most of my development anymore is in a CMS or in a Marketing Platform that is hosting pages so it's definitely where a good portion of development is at and working with Dreamweaver keeps it challenging.

The thing that has been running through my mind lately is how people haven't used Adobe apps yet to prove how out of date Dreamweaver is. I think I would challenge some design people out there to use XD to reimagine what Dreamweaver should be in the modern web development era. And speaking of XD, that is an awesome prototyping tool btw, not quite everything I miss about Fireworks but it has picked up a good portion of the void left behind by Fireworks.