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Flex 4 and BiDi Components

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August 22, 2008
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Hi,

just wanted to ask if the Flex 4 components will be BiDi-aware so that a developer can set a property on a component or the application to make it render from right to left. For example a DataGrid, when set to RTL (i.e. by setting its "direction" property to "rtl") will start the columns from the right. Another example are horizontal layouts which would lay components from right to left when the application (global) direction is set to RTL.

Bye,
Haykel

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matt_chotin

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BiDi isn't scheduled to start for another few weeks. Matt On 10/20/08 10:14 AM, "Leif Wells Atlanta" <member@adobeforums.com> wrote: A new message was posted by Leif Wells Atlanta in Developers -- Flex 4 and BiDi Components Jai, Do you know of any BiDi components for Flex 3? I am looking into extending Form and FormItem to handle BiDi automagically, but did not know if anyone out there had already done this. LeifAtlanta On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 7:56 AM, jai chandra <member@adobeforums.com> wrote: A new message was posted by jai chandra in Developers -- Flex 4 and BiDi Components Gordon, Do we have any clarity on mirroring functionality in the components. Do you guys plan to start work on it? Thanks, Jai ________________________________ View/reply at Flex 4 and BiDi Components <a href=http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?13@@.59b63e11/15> Replies by email are OK. Use the unsubscribe <a href=http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?280@@.59b63e11!folder=.3c060fa3> form to cancel your email subscription. ________________________________ View/reply at Flex 4 and BiDi Components <a href=http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?13@@.59b63e11/16> Replies by email are OK. Use the unsubscribe <a href=http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?280@@.59b63e11!folder=.3c060fa3> form to cancel your email subscription.

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Jai,

Do you know of any BiDi components for Flex 3?

I am looking into extending Form and FormItem to handle BiDi automagically, but did not know if anyone out there had already done this.

Leif

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Gordon,

Do we have any clarity on mirroring functionality in the components. Do you guys plan to start work on it?

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Gordon,

Do we have any clarity on mirroring functionality in the components. Do you guys plan to start work on it?

Thanks,
Jai

Leif_Wells_-_Atlanta

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Guys,

Obviously I have a vested interest in your and Flex 4's success on many levels. BiDi and mirroring are just one area of concern for me.

As always, feel free to reach out to me for anything.

Leif

leif[dot]wells[at]gmail[dot]com

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Gordon,

I did test the new text engine in this demo app:

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/demos/

and I couldn't input any Arabic text. I'm using windows XP with Firefox.

I'm interested in helping in BIDI support in the new SDK.

_Haykel_Ben_Jemia_Author

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I'm very interested and I'm already heavily testing this functionality in Flex 4 as I'm working on a project that needs Arabic support and I'm using Gumbo for it. I'm also already reporting bugs and if can do more, just tell me Gordon, it's very important for me to get solid bidi support in Flash/Flex!

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:31 AM, GordonSmith < member@adobeforums.com> wrote:

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In
the interest of honesty... Flash Player 10 has some known issues -- and
probably some undiscovered ones -- related to bidi support that could not be
fixed in time for the release. For example, I don't think you can input either
Arabic or Hebrew on the Mac. (Ouch!) Plans to address these shortcomings so
that bidi is a solid feature are under discussion. If you have a particular
interest in bidi and are interested in giving us feedback during Flex 4
development, let me know.

Gordon
Smith

Adobe
Flex SDK Team

From: Leif Wells Atlanta
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A new message was posted by Leif Wells Atlanta in

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Flex 4 and BiDi Components

Thanks, guys, for making all this clear to us.

To recap: BiDi text is a feature built into Flash Player 10 and exists today. A
SDK component mirrored layout for right to left languages is in the works for
the Flex 4 SDK, but the team has not written the specification for it yet as
progress has not reached that part of the schedule.

As each day passes I am more excited to see Flex 4. And I look forward to
seeing you guys at MAX.

Leif

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The infamous Gordon quote was in this forum/thread:

http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?14@@.59b63e11/2

GordonSmith - 8:58am Aug 26, 08 PST (#3 of 9)

Peter

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A new message was posted by Matt Chotin in

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Flex 4 and BiDi Components

I thought it was in this forum but it might have been in flexcoders. The
Gumbo public preso also mentioned BiDi and mirroring.

Matt

On 9/9/08 1:30 PM, "Leif Wells Atlanta" < member@adobeforums.com> wrote:

A new message was posted by Leif Wells Atlanta in

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Haykel, I am sorry to ask but where did you get that "Gordon said:"
quote from?

I am not seeing it in my thread. Is that from the Bug Base?

If this is true and there are plans around this that I have not seen, then
great! I am excited!

Leif

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Haykel Ben Jemia < member@adobeforums.com> wrote:

A new message was posted by Haykel Ben Jemia in

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In my understanding the situation looks like the following: BiDi text
will be implemented in Flash 10/Flex 4 (It's already on SVN)

BiDi components/layouts will "hopefully" be implemented through
UI "mirroring"

Gordon said:

---

We hope to implement UI "mirroring" to get RTL layout in all
components. (For example, in a Tree the disclosure triangles would be on the
right, and the vertical scrollbar on the left. In an HBox the first child would
be on the right and the last on the left. Etc.) But that work hasn't started
yet.

---

In the other hand, it's relatively easy now with the new layout & skinning
engines of Flex 4 to implement such components.

I think BiDi support is on the way, it's just a matter of time (not so much
hopefully).

Haykel

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<div class=Section1> In the interest of honesty... Flash Player 10 has some known issues -- and probably some undiscovered ones -- related to bidi support that could not be fixed in time for the release. For example, I don't think you can input either Arabic or Hebrew on the Mac. (Ouch!) Plans to address these shortcomings so that bidi is a solid feature are under discussion. If you have a particular interest in bidi and are interested in giving us feedback during Flex 4 development, let me know.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Gordon Smith<o:p></o:p> Adobe Flex SDK Team<o:p></o:p> color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p> <div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'> From:<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Leif Wells Atlanta [mailto:member@adobeforums.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:54 PM To: flexsdk-dev@adobeforums.com Subject: Re: Flex 4 and BiDi Components<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> A new message was posted by Leif Wells Atlanta in Developers -- Flex 4 and BiDi Components Thanks, guys, for making all this clear to us. To recap: BiDi text is a feature built into Flash Player 10 and exists today. A SDK component mirrored layout for right to left languages is in the works for the Flex 4 SDK, but the team has not written the specification for it yet as progress has not reached that part of the schedule. As each day passes I am more excited to see Flex 4. And I look forward to seeing you guys at MAX. Leif On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Peter deHaan <<a href="mailto:member@adobeforums.com">member@adobeforums.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p> A new message was posted by Peter deHaan in Developers -- Flex 4 and BiDi Components The infamous Gordon quote was in this forum/thread: <a href="http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?14@@.59b63e11/2" target="_blank">http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?14@@.59b63e11/2</a> GordonSmith - 8:58am Aug 26, 08 PST (#3 of 9) Peter -----Original Message----- From: Matt Chotin [mailto:<a href="mailto:member@adobeforums.com">member@adobeforums.com</a>] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 3:21 PM To: <a href="mailto:flexsdk-dev@adobeforums.com">flexsdk-dev@adobeforums.com</a> Subject: Re: Flex 4 and BiDi Components A new message was posted by Matt Chotin in Developers -- Flex 4 and BiDi Components I thought it was in this forum but it might have been in flexcoders. The Gumbo public preso also mentioned BiDi and mirroring. Matt On 9/9/08 1:30 PM, "Leif Wells Atlanta" <<a href="mailto:member@adobeforums.com">member@adobeforums.com</a>> wrote: A new message was posted by Leif Wells Atlanta in Developers -- Flex 4 and BiDi Components Haykel, I am sorry to ask but where did you get that "Gordon said:" quote from? I am not seeing it in my thread. Is that from the Bug Base? If this is true and there are plans around this that I have not seen, then great! I am excited! Leif On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Haykel Ben Jemia <<a href="mailto:member@adobeforums.com">member@adobeforums.com</a>> wrote: A new message was posted by Haykel Ben Jemia in Developers -- Flex 4 and BiDi Components In my understanding the situation looks like the following: BiDi text will be implemented in Flash 10/Flex 4 (It's already on SVN) BiDi components/layouts will "hopefully" be implemented through UI "mirroring" Gordon said: --- We hope to implement UI "mirroring" to get RTL layout in all components. (For example, in a Tree the disclosure triangles would be on the right, and the vertical scrollbar on the left. In an HBox the first child would be on the right and the last on the left. Etc.) But that work hasn't started yet. --- In the other hand, it's relatively easy now with the new layout & skinning engines of Flex 4 to implement such components. I think BiDi support is on the way, it's just a matter of time (not so much hopefully). Haykel ________________________________ View/reply at Flex 4 and BiDi Components <<a href="http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?13@@.59b63e11/5" target="_blank">http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?13@@.59b63e11/5</a>> Replies by email are OK. 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Thanks, guys, for making all this clear to us.

To recap: BiDi text is a feature built into Flash Player 10 and exists today. A SDK component mirrored layout for right to left languages is in the works for the Flex 4 SDK, but the team has not written the specification for it yet as progress has not reached that part of the schedule.

As each day passes I am more excited to see Flex 4. And I look forward to seeing you guys at MAX.

Leif

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The infamous Gordon quote was in this forum/thread:

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GordonSmith - 8:58am Aug 26, 08 PST (#3 of 9)

Peter

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A new message was posted by Matt Chotin in

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Flex 4 and BiDi Components

I thought it was in this forum but it might have been in flexcoders. The Gumbo public preso also mentioned BiDi and mirroring.

Matt

On 9/9/08 1:30 PM, "Leif Wells Atlanta" < member@adobeforums.com> wrote:

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Haykel, I am sorry to ask but where did you get that "Gordon said:" quote from?

I am not seeing it in my thread. Is that from the Bug Base?

If this is true and there are plans around this that I have not seen, then great! I am excited!

Leif

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Haykel Ben Jemia < member@adobeforums.com> wrote:

A new message was posted by Haykel Ben Jemia in

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Flex 4 and BiDi Components

In my understanding the situation looks like the following: BiDi text will be implemented in Flash 10/Flex 4 (It's already on SVN)

BiDi components/layouts will "hopefully" be implemented through UI "mirroring"

Gordon said:

---

We hope to implement UI "mirroring" to get RTL layout in all components. (For example, in a Tree the disclosure triangles would be on the right, and the vertical scrollbar on the left. In an HBox the first child would be on the right and the last on the left. Etc.) But that work hasn't started yet.

---

In the other hand, it's relatively easy now with the new layout & skinning engines of Flex 4 to implement such components.

I think BiDi support is on the way, it's just a matter of time (not so much hopefully).

Haykel

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I thought it was in this forum but it might have been in flexcoders. The Gumbo public preso also mentioned BiDi and mirroring. Matt On 9/9/08 1:30 PM, "Leif Wells Atlanta" <member@adobeforums.com> wrote: A new message was posted by Leif Wells Atlanta in Developers -- Flex 4 and BiDi Components Haykel, I am sorry to ask but where did you get that "Gordon said:" quote from? I am not seeing it in my thread. Is that from the Bug Base? If this is true and there are plans around this that I have not seen, then great! I am excited! Leif On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Haykel Ben Jemia <member@adobeforums.com> wrote: A new message was posted by Haykel Ben Jemia in Developers -- Flex 4 and BiDi Components In my understanding the situation looks like the following: BiDi text will be implemented in Flash 10/Flex 4 (It's already on SVN) BiDi components/layouts will "hopefully" be implemented through UI "mirroring" Gordon said: --- We hope to implement UI "mirroring" to get RTL layout in all components. (For example, in a Tree the disclosure triangles would be on the right, and the vertical scrollbar on the left. In an HBox the first child would be on the right and the last on the left. Etc.) But that work hasn't started yet. --- In the other hand, it's relatively easy now with the new layout & skinning engines of Flex 4 to implement such components. I think BiDi support is on the way, it's just a matter of time (not so much hopefully). Haykel ________________________________ View/reply at Flex 4 and BiDi Components <a href=http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?13@@.59b63e11/5> Replies by email are OK. Use the unsubscribe <a href=http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?280@@.59b63e11!folder=.3c060fa3> form to cancel your email subscription. ________________________________ View/reply at Flex 4 and BiDi Components <a href=http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?13@@.59b63e11/6> Replies by email are OK. Use the unsubscribe <a href=http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?280@@.59b63e11!folder=.3c060fa3> form to cancel your email subscription.

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