IMPORTANT: Dropping the Fx Prefix - dealing with XML libraries

Well, I did ask for comments by EOD 4/1/2009 for that reason....









On 4/2/09 6:17 AM, "Tom Chiverton" < member@adobeforums.com> wrote:

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  IMPORTANT: Dropping the Fx Prefix - dealing with XML libraries



 

 

 On Wednesday 01 Apr 2009, Greenfield Eliot wrote:

>  Developers --

>    IMPORTANT: Dropping the Fx Prefix - dealing with XML libraries



Just to be clear, this is a joke, right ?

Online April fools jokes should be banned, because you do not know at what

time someone is going to read it.

This goes double for mailing lists which get archives and public searches

years later.

On Wednesday 01 Apr 2009, Greenfield Eliot wrote:

> Developers --

>   IMPORTANT: Dropping the Fx Prefix - dealing with XML libraries



Just to be clear, this is a joke, right ?

Online April fools jokes should be banned, because you do not know at what

time someone is going to read it.

This goes double for mailing lists which get archives and public searches

years later.



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<div class=Section1><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";<br />color:#4F271C'>Shocking.<o:p></o:p></span></p><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";<br />color:#4F271C'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";<br />color:#4F271C'>When I saw the first post yesterday, I&#8217;d just been with a<br />client for 10 hours and had just gotten back in.<o:p></o:p></span></p><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";<br />color:#4F271C'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";<br />color:#4F271C'>I saw Ely&#8217;s message and just went to the Wiki page and<br />printed it without reading.<o:p></o:p></span></p><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";<br />color:#4F271C'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";<br />color:#4F271C'>After a quick wash and my head still full of that day&#8217;s<br />meeting I sat holding the printout just staring at it. Confused. Lol<o:p></o:p></span></p><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";<br />color:#4F271C'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";<br />color:#4F271C'>The look on my face must have been priceless!<o:p></o:p></span></p><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";<br />color:#4F271C'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";<br />color:#4F271C'>Nice one </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;<br />color:#4F271C'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";<br />color:#4F271C'><o:p></o:p></span></p><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";<br />color:#4F271C'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";<br />color:#4F271C'>glenn<o:p></o:p></span></p><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";<br />color:#4F271C'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><br /><br /><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:<br />"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;<br />font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Adam Cath [mailto:member@adobeforums.com] <br><br /><b>Sent:</b> 02 April 2009 00:10<br><br /><b>To:</b> flexsdk-dev@adobeforums.com<br><br /><b>Subject:</b> Re: IMPORTANT: Dropping the Fx Prefix - dealing with XML<br />libraries<o:p></o:p></span></p><br /><br /></div><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>A new message was posted by<br />Adam Cath in <br><br /><br><br /><b>Developers</b> --<br><br />  IMPORTANT: Dropping the Fx Prefix - dealing with XML libraries<br><br /><br><br />Tap the foot that's not using the foot pedal. <o:p></o:p></p><br /><br /><div class=MsoNormal><br /><br /><hr size=2 width=200 style='width:150.0pt' align=left><br /><br /></div><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>View/reply at <a<br />href="http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?13@@.59b87933/13">IMPORTANT: Dropping the<br />Fx Prefix - dealing with XML libraries</a><br><br />Replies by email are OK.<br><br />Use the <a<br />href="http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?280@@.59b87933!folder=.3c060fa3">unsubscribe</a><br />form to cancel your email subscription.<o:p></o:p></p><br /><br /></div>

Tap the foot that's not using the foot pedal.

You might finally win over the accessibility crowd with this one!<br><br /><br><br />Adam Cath wrote:<br /><blockquote cite="mid:59b87933.9@webcrossing.la2eafNXanI" type="cite">A<br />new message was posted by Adam Cath in <br><br /> <br><br /> <b>Developers</b> --<br><br />  IMPORTANT: Dropping the Fx Prefix - dealing with XML libraries<br><br /> <br><br />These are all good proposals, but they don't help us get any closer to<br />our goal of foot-pedal accessibility. Here's a counter-proposal from<br />the Flex tooling teams: <br><br /> <br><br /> <a moz-do-not-send="true"<br /> href="http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/Updated+Tooling+Proposal">http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/Updated+Tooling+Proposal</a><br /> <br><br /> <br><br /> <hr align="left" width="200">View/reply at <a moz-do-not-send="true"<br /> href="http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?13@@.59b87933/9">IMPORTANT:<br />Dropping the Fx Prefix - dealing with XML libraries</a><br><br />Replies by email are OK.<br><br />Use the <a moz-do-not-send="true"<br /> href="http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?280@@.59b87933%21folder=.3c060fa3">unsubscribe</a><br />form to cancel your email subscription.<br><br /> <br><br /></blockquote>

Although I like this idea... it might be problematic for me... since I tap my foot to music while programming. ;)




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<div class=Section1><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;<br />color:#4F271C'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";<br />color:#4F271C'><o:p></o:p></span></p><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";<br />color:#4F271C'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><br /><br /><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:<br />"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;<br />font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Adam Cath [mailto:member@adobeforums.com] <br><br /><b>Sent:</b> 01 April 2009 22:33<br><br /><b>To:</b> flexsdk-dev@adobeforums.com<br><br /><b>Subject:</b> Re: IMPORTANT: Dropping the Fx Prefix - dealing with XML<br />libraries<o:p></o:p></span></p><br /><br /></div><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>A new message was posted by<br />Adam Cath in <br><br /><br><br /><b>Developers</b> --<br><br />  IMPORTANT: Dropping the Fx Prefix - dealing with XML libraries<br><br /><br><br />These are all good proposals, but they don't help us get any closer to our goal<br />of foot-pedal accessibility. Here's a counter-proposal from the Flex tooling<br />teams: <br><br /><br><br /><a<br />href="http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/Updated+Tooling+Proposal">http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/Updated+Tooling+Proposal</a><br /><o:p></o:p></p><br /><br /><div class=MsoNormal><br /><br /><hr size=2 width=200 style='width:150.0pt' align=left><br /><br /></div><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>View/reply at <a<br />href="http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?13@@.59b87933/9">IMPORTANT: Dropping the<br />Fx Prefix - dealing with XML libraries</a><br><br />Replies by email are OK.<br><br />Use the <a<br />href="http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?280@@.59b87933!folder=.3c060fa3">unsubscribe</a><br />form to cancel your email subscription.<o:p></o:p></p><br /><br /></div>

These are all good proposals, but they don't help us get any closer to our goal of foot-pedal accessibility. Here's a counter-proposal from the Flex tooling teams:

http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/Updated+Tooling+Proposal

I can totally get behind terminology like "RectangularClickyThing."

Leif

<div class=Section1><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It&#8217;s<br />not clear that either Ely&#8217;s or Deepa&#8217;s proposals are going to work<br />out, despite their nicely formatted and professional specs. An alternate<br />proposal that we are investigating is detailed at the end of this history of<br />the naming discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></p><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a<br />href="http://graphics-geek.blogspot.com/2009/04/post-fix-prefix.html">http://graphics-geek.blogspot.com/2009/04/post-fix-prefix.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Chet.<o:p></o:p></span></p><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><br /><br /><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><br /><br /><div><br /><br /><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span<br />style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Greenfield Eliot<br />[mailto:member@adobeforums.com] <br><br /><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:01 PM<br><br /><b>To:</b> flexsdk-dev@adobeforums.com<br><br /><b>Subject:</b> IMPORTANT: Dropping the Fx Prefix - dealing with XML libraries<o:p></o:p></span></p><br /><br /></div><br /><br /></div><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>A new discussion was started by<br />Greenfield Eliot in <br><br /><br><br /><b>Developers</b> --<br><br />  IMPORTANT: Dropping the Fx Prefix - dealing with XML libraries<br><br /><br><br /><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><br><br /><br><br />Hi folks &#8212; we&#8217;re running into a few more roadblocks in our plans to<br />drop the Fx prefix, that we need some fast input from the community on.<br><br /><br><br />It turns out there&#8217;s a lot of poorly written XML library code out there.<br /> After doing the work to drop the prefixes from all the spark components,<br />we&#8217;re discovering that a large number of XML libraries &#8212; both open<br />source and 3rd party libraries used in the Flex compiler, as well as those used<br />by other community tools that process MXML,  simply cannot handle having<br />multiple tags with the same leaf name.  Silly, given that&#8217;s exactly<br />the reason XML namespaces exist, but it&#8217;s a fact of life.<br><br /><br><br />So simply dropping the prefix off of the new components doesn&#8217;t fly.<br />  But we&#8217;ve heard loud and clear from the community that adding<br />a prefix is also a non-starter.   We&#8217;ve got a proposal up on<br />the wiki for alternate ways to avoid duplicate names that don&#8217;t require<br />unsightly prefixes or too much extra typing. <br><br /><br><br />You can read the details, and comment, here:<br><br /><br><br /><u><span style='color:blue'><a<br />href="http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/Updated+plan+for+dropping+the+FxPrefix">http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/Updated+plan+for+dropping+the+FxPrefix</a><br><br /></span></u><br><br />Please comment by EOD today, 4/1/2009, as we are trying to get this work<br />wrapped up as soon as possible.<br><br /><br><br />Ely.<br><br /><br><br /></span><o:p></o:p></p><br /><br /><div class=MsoNormal><br /><br /><hr size=2 width=200 style='width:150.0pt' align=left><br /><br /></div><br /><br /><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>View/reply at <a<br />href="http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?13@@.59b87933">IMPORTANT: Dropping the Fx<br />Prefix - dealing with XML libraries</a><br><br />Replies by email are OK.<br><br />Use the <a<br />href="http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?280@@.59b87933!folder=.3c060fa3">unsubscribe</a><br />form to cancel your email subscription.<o:p></o:p></p><br /><br /></div><br /><br /></div>