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Inspiring
May 28, 2020
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Continuing Pagination Problems

  • May 28, 2020
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Hello

I am trying to update a chapter in a framemaker book. FrameMaker keeps inserting a odd-numbered page (page v) for no reason. I've tried to delete the page and updating the book, but Framemaker (2019, by the way) keeps re-inserting the unwanted page.

 

I've tried to delete the page by:

 

1) Right-clicking on the file, selecting "Pagination" and then in the "Before Saving and Printing" dialog, select "Delete Empty Pages.

2) Format - Docuemtnt - Delete Pages

 

FrameMaker keeps adding the page. Should I try deleting in the file outside of the book? I'm stumped. 

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    Correct answer TechWriter2020

    For example, if:
    Book component file Flow A content always leads off with a Heading1, and
    Format » Paragraphs » Paragraph Designer
    Style [Heading1] » Pagination is
    Start: [Top of Right Page]
    is set, then it probably doesn't matter how the file or book pagination is set (if double-sided is enabled). A Left Page is going to appear prior to every H1 page, whether there's content for that LP or not.

    Fix is to set Start: [Anywhere]
    [Update Style]


    Ok...weird. I just "updated book" for the umpteenth time, and now everything is working. I guess it's one of those "The FrameMaker Gods have decided to smile upon you" kind of day. Or the gremlins in the FM machinery are no longer there. Ok. I'll leave it. It's fixed now for some reason.

     

    Thank you!

    6 replies

    K.Daube
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    August 31, 2020

    Winfried, in the first ¶ I wrote «Formatting for "Top of page" checked» - which means that there are no such paragraph settings which would force the first page to a right page. I have generally no such page dependency in 1-x-headings - but 0chapter-title has this setting. This format is used only in the first of the 10 files where it can not do any harm.

    But yes, this feature is an often forgotten 'influencer'.

    K.Daube
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    August 29, 2020

    Aahrg, I have the same problem now and there a no "FrameMaker Gods have decided to smile upon you".

    I have a book with 10 files, some have even, some odd number of pages: 1: even 2: even 3: odd 4: even 5: even 6:odd 7:odd 8:odd 9:even 10:even; Formatting for "Top of page" checked.

    1. In the book I select all files and apply Numbering for the page #: Continue from precious file in book.
    2. After updating the book for the numbering I see that there are addional empty pages - all files have now even pages
    3. In the book I select all files and apply Pagination: Double sided, read from file, Delete Empty Pages
    4. As soon as I Set this, for all but the first file I get an error message Page Layout Warning:
      I use Remove Overrides and Continue
    5. But t he page numbering is wrong now, as it is still that after step 2 resulting in addional empty page.
    6. Second update of the book: Again empty pages were added to the files with odd number of pages.

    I decide to MIF wash all files and creatae a new book

    1. After setting up the book I update it and again get the Pagination error messag for all but the first file.
    2. No added empty pages, but wrong page numbering (assuming the empty pages)
    3. Update book (just the numbering)
    4. Empty pages are back ...
    5. I give up  hoping that continuing work will fill the empty pages with something...

     

    Community Expert
    August 31, 2020

    Hi Klaus,

     

    Are there any paragraphs at the beginning of your files which are set to start on a right or left page?

     

    Best regards

     

    Winfried

    Bob_Niland
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    May 29, 2020

    Check also Paragraph Formats for initial content (usually heading) to see if any are coded for Start: Top of X Page.

    Inspiring
    May 29, 2020

    Sorry: I'm unsure how to do this. Are you referring to adjustments to headers in the Paragraph Designer?

    frameexpert
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    May 29, 2020

    I can probably diagnose your problem in about 5 minutes if you can meet. There won't be any cost for the meeting. rick at frameexpert dot com

    www.frameexpert.com
    Jeff_Coatsworth
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    May 28, 2020

    Is there a doc that's behaving? Maybe you could import the Master Page from it to the one that's misbehaving?

    Inspiring
    May 28, 2020

    Not a bad idea....I'll try that.

    Jeff_Coatsworth
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    May 28, 2020

    Because you've got a Master Page assigned to it that tells it to never have an even number?

    Inspiring
    May 28, 2020

    Unfortunately, assigning a blank page or none doesn't fix it when I change the master page usage. When I update it to "blank" or "none," then delete the page and update the page, the page returns in "odd/even" form.

    I'm not sure why it's doing this....

    Inspiring
    May 28, 2020

    I meant "update the book" not "update the page." Sorry, my brain is crunchy

    Jeff_Coatsworth
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    May 28, 2020

    Is the doc set up to always have even or odd pages/left or right ones? That's usually the cause of reappearing pages that stubbornly refuse to go away...

    Inspiring
    May 28, 2020

    Yes. There is no content on the extra odd page, so why is it creating an extra odd page?