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disconnected page VS page break

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November 12, 2023
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Hello,

I need to separate all pages of my document because I want to add one poem on each page. The advantage for me to separate pages is : if I want to modify the poem on page 1, the poem on page 2 does not move.

I have seen there are two ways to do it :

1) add several disconnected pages

2) add page break on each page

I have two questions :

1) What do you advise me to use in that case : disconnected pages/page break/ or other way ?

2) how to change an existing normal page to become a disconnected page, and how to change an existing disconnected page to become a normal page ?

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Correct answer Bob_Niland

Have the starting para of each poem have a Pagination property of Top of Page. Ditto for the next non-poem para … on normal connected pages. You may want to have two separate para tags for this, poem.top to start, and poem for body, or similar. Next Para property in the poem.top def would be [poem]. You may already have specific para tags for the poem pages, due to font, spacing, alignment, etc.

Page Break is not an independent document object in FM. It's merely a relatively fragile Pagination override applied to whatever is the current para when invoked.

Disconnected pages can easily become a stewardship nightmare, as text is added/deleted in the preceding pages. It also disrupts the Flow, and I wouldn't be be surprised if that results in screwy ToCs & bookmarks.

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pierret18811376Author

Inspiring

"A more sophisticated way to handle it might be via Master Page Mapping.
The needed Reference Page and table won't exist by default. You need to run an AMP first:
Format ▼ Page Layout » Apply Master Pages…
Create poem-specific L&R Master pages (Poem.Left & Poem.Right), usually derived from normal pages Left and Right
and associate them with "poem top" via the table on Reference Page MasterPageMaps.
Run an AMP any time pagination changes due to added/deleted page content."

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I have first made an "Apply Master page" on the body page.

Then in the Reference page, in the master page table, I have put the "poem top" tag (see red line) :

Is it correct ?

If I go in View/Body : nothing happens. Why ?

Bob_Niland

Community Expert

Have you created Master Page "Poem.Left" and "Poem.right" yet?
The table needs to include the Master Page names, and the intent for Range ("Single" if the poems are only one page).

The names are case-sensitive.
So depending on the page and para names, the table row might need to be:
poem top | Poem.right | Poem.Left | Single | {blank or remark}

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pierret18811376Author

Inspiring

I have created two specific master pages.

1) Master page "Poem.Right"

2) Master page "Poem.Left"

And I have now this table in reference page :

For the moment, nothing happens in the body page.

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pierret18811376Author

Inspiring

I think I have just found the solution : on "poem top" /"Basic", I selected "Next paragraph / Courant" (see red line at right). So at left, after the space (made by the frame) the next lines are in "Courant" :

If I translate : "Courant" = "Body".

Is it correct ?

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pierret18811376Author

Inspiring

In Reference page I have created a frame ("frame top") and inside the tag "poem top" I have selected this frame (see red line at right) :

So, at the top of the page I have the space (made by the frame), but at each next lines (see red lines at left) it put also the same space (made by the frame). How to have the space (made by the frame) only at the top of the page ? Below this space at the top (made by the frame) I would like to be without extra space (normal space).

Bob_Niland

Community Expert

You want only the first para on the page to be poem_top.
You want only poem_top to have that Frame Above.
The rest of the paras on the page need to be "poem",
which has no Frame Above.

You can set poem_top to automatically set the Next Pgf to poem as a typing aid.
If any lower paras are poem_top, select them and apply poem.

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pierret18811376Author

Inspiring

Hi Bob,

1) First I have created a paragraph style "Poeme" with no frame above (see red line) :

If I translate "cadre dessus / aucun" = "frame above / nothing".

2) Then for "poem top", I have selected Basic/Next paragraph/poeme (see red line) :

If I translate : "paragraphe suivant/poeme" = "next paragraph/poeme".

Is it correct ?

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pierret18811376Author

Inspiring

Now, always for "poem top" , I have tried to make a 28 pt offset between the top of the page and the begining of the poem (see red line). :

But I don't succeeded to have this offset : the text remains at the top of the page. Why ?

Bob_Niland

Community Expert

It doesn't work because there is no paragraph above it.

Other members may have a more elegant way to do this, but the simple hack is to create an empty named frame, perhaps named Empty28pt on Reference Page "Reference", that is 28pt high, and nearly any width. Have para tag "poem top", via the /Advanced\ tab, declare it as:
Frame Above Pgf:
[Empty28pt]

A more sophisticated way to handle it might be via Master Page Mapping.
The needed Reference Page and table won't exist by default. You need to run an AMP first:
Format ▼ Page Layout » Apply Master Pages…
Create poem-specific L&R Master pages (Poem.Left & Poem.Right), usually derived from normal pages Left and Right
and associate them with "poem top" via the table on Reference Page MasterPageMaps.
Run an AMP any time pagination changes due to added/deleted page content.

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pierret18811376Author

Inspiring

Hi Bob,

Ok, I will use only connected pages from now.

If I understand well, for poem top, I have to set the paragraph designer/pagination like this (see red line) :

If I translate : "Debut en Haut de page" = "Start Top of the page" :

Is it correct ?

Bob_Niland

Community Expert

Correct.

Bob_Niland

Correct answer

Community Expert

Have the starting para of each poem have a Pagination property of Top of Page. Ditto for the next non-poem para … on normal connected pages. You may want to have two separate para tags for this, poem.top to start, and poem for body, or similar. Next Para property in the poem.top def would be [poem]. You may already have specific para tags for the poem pages, due to font, spacing, alignment, etc.

Page Break is not an independent document object in FM. It's merely a relatively fragile Pagination override applied to whatever is the current para when invoked.

Disconnected pages can easily become a stewardship nightmare, as text is added/deleted in the preceding pages. It also disrupts the Flow, and I wouldn't be be surprised if that results in screwy ToCs & bookmarks.

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