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ashrae-editor
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January 15, 2019
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Framemaker Crashing When Creating Element List from EDD

  • January 15, 2019
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I'm a bit deep in the weeds here, and not entirely sure I'm going about this the right way.

Overall Goal: Be able to use XML/Structured Framemaker to generate Word versions of current publications directly from Framemaker, rather than Framemaker -> PDF -> Word.

Problem: I'm trying to import elements from an EDD generated from the NISO STS v1.0 tag library. The EDD, which i generated from the corresponding DTD, is 200+ pages long, and Framemaker (2015 and 2019) both crash every time I try to import elements from the EDD into a fresh document. I assume this is a memory issue, but I have no idea how to proceed. Maybe there's an easier way to accomplish the overall goal (stated above)?

Setup:

Running Windows 7 Pro, SP1 (64-bit)

Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4570 CPU @3.20 GHz

8MB RAM

Framemaker 2015 (13.0.5.547)

(also tried it in a trial of FM2019)

I've posted the framelog from my my recent crash (using Framemaker 2015) below.

=== Header Begin ===

Internal Error: 13054, 5134708, 5135002, 8277901

FrameMaker 13.0.5 for Intel

Build: 13.0.5.547

Window System: MSWindows

Operating System: Windows NT 6.1 (major.minor.build: 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1)

Generated on: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:44:20 PM

To file: C:\Users\[xxxxxxxx]\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\FrameMaker\13\FrameLog_18.12.12_12.44.20.txt

Locale: English

Current Mode: Structured FrameMaker

Current View: WYSIWYG View

=== Header End ===

[Edited by moderator. No need to post all of the stack dump here. Please send the console log file to fmerror@adobe.com ]

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1 reply

Adobe Employee
January 16, 2019

@jmw_ashrae

Would it  be possible to mail me a sample EDD so i can try it out at my end. Also, if you could share the .dmp file with me so have someone from engg look into this

Quick question, are you using 64-bit FM or 32-bit FM (FM2019 release) ?

Thanks

Amitoj Singh

Email: amitosin@adobe.com

Legend
January 16, 2019

Hi jmw_ashrae,

The production of Word files seems an unusual reason for this effort. Could you expand on what the goal is?

Russ

ashrae-editor
Known Participant
January 16, 2019

Russ,

Thanks for the reply. Great question.

Ideally, we'd love to be able to round-trip between Word and Framemaker, but a number of factors prevent us from doing this. We publish well over 100 documents, all of which are authored and revised by rotating committees of volunteers. The base documents are created in MS Word by our authors, then sent to our Publications staff for layout/editing in Framemaker, after which PDFs are produced from FM.

We're a membership organization. Our authors are our members, and they typically have considerable latitude in how they manage their publication files. In the past, they've resisted working from templates or using Web interfaces—basically anything that would allow us to harmonize input around a standard set of markup. To further complicate matters, the rules and procedures under which authoring committees operate are managed by a department separate from Publishing, so we, as editors and designers, are only able to impose bare-minimum mandates:

(1) Docs must come to us in MS Word format.

(2) Docs must adhere to a standard organizational format (i.e., section, figure, table, equation numbering).

Even with round-tripping off the table, there are a couple of very good reasons to try and implement Structured Authoring in Framemaker. First, we partner with a contractor to implement an interactive, Web-based version of one of our most high-profile and ubiquitous publications. Right now, with each revision of this document, our contractor has to engineer an XML/HTML framework from scratch using the most recent PDFs and Unstructured FM files, which is time consuming, expensive, and subject to error. Second, it's imperative that we're able to provide authoring committees with "clean" (i.e., most recent) versions of published versions of their documents to use as bases for future revisions. Right now we have to cobble together Word files converted from PDF or copy/pasted from Framemaker, and the amount of formatting information lost during conversion is unacceptable to us and to our authors (and the resulting docs sometimes barely usable).

I'm essentially our in-house Framemaker authority, but my experience is almost exclusively with Unstructured Framemaker. I'm reasonably tech-savvy, but my practical experience with XML/SGML is minimal, and my experience with Unstructured Framemaker is nil. We're not currently budgeted to contract this work, so I'm trying to determine exactly what we need to do to fulfill our basic needs (#1 and #2 above) with the resources at our disposal.

M