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October 21, 2021
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Much Greater-Than chracter >> appears in Character Palette but not in document

  • October 21, 2021
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The Much Greater-Than character, >>, is shown in Character Palette for Times New Roman as 226B. When I add it to my document in a paragraph with a default font of Times New Roman the question mark character is displayed instead. Any ideas of why this is happening? I don't see the character in the Symbol font but perhaps someone with sharper eyes can find it.

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    Correct answer Bob_Niland

    After a reboot, I was able to get FM Character Palette (CP) to stay visible long enough to play with U+226B.

    For a number of sparsely-populated fonts, including TNR, CP apparently shows all of Unicode, with no indication of whether clicking on any particular code point will insert the intended glyph, or result in "?". By the way, the "?" is entirely a rendering issue. If you check the MIF, it will actually contain a "≫" at that point in the text.

    And by "all of Unicode", that includes the SMP range above U+FFFF, which FM cannot render either, whether the font populates that range or not.
    CP also winks out when you click in any other window, which is the main reason why I never use it, and tend to favor BableMap.

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    Bob_Niland
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    Bob_NilandCommunity Expert
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    October 22, 2021

    Both BabelMap and MS Character Map report on my Win10 system that Times New Roman does not populate:
    U+226B MUCH GREATER-THAN [≫]
    so "?" would be the expected result in FM (which has no fallback). FM internally knows what that codepoint is, so if you use U+226B in a Variable definition, for example, it will collapse \u226b to ≫ in the dialog.

     

    In addition to trying another font, you might instead use:
    U+00BB RIGHT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK [»]
    unless you need the semantics. U+00BB is populated in TNR.

     

    I can't get the FM Character Palette to stay visible long enough to see what it does. It winks out after a few seconds.

    karent-sysponys
    karent-sysponysAuthor
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    October 22, 2021

    Thank you for your help. If this happens again I will remember to verify in Windows Character Map. I wish I knew why it appears in the FM Character Palette.

     

    I can't use a different font unless it is already being used in the book. I looked at Arial and it doesn't support U+226B. I haven't had time to check the others.This is for a math audience so I'll just go with my quick and dirty method rather than using the angle quotation mark.  I figure my audience will be less disturbed by the obviously wrong choice because it is a common.choice 

    Bob_Niland
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    Bob_NilandCommunity ExpertCorrect answer
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    October 22, 2021

    After a reboot, I was able to get FM Character Palette (CP) to stay visible long enough to play with U+226B.

    For a number of sparsely-populated fonts, including TNR, CP apparently shows all of Unicode, with no indication of whether clicking on any particular code point will insert the intended glyph, or result in "?". By the way, the "?" is entirely a rendering issue. If you check the MIF, it will actually contain a "≫" at that point in the text.

    And by "all of Unicode", that includes the SMP range above U+FFFF, which FM cannot render either, whether the font populates that range or not.
    CP also winks out when you click in any other window, which is the main reason why I never use it, and tend to favor BableMap.

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