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Hello,

I have an FM file where I have a text with notes. But these notes are very long.

But I have noticed that for the note "3" (that is in the text of the page 1), this footnote "3" begins on page 2 (it begins in another page). Why ?

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Barb BinderCorrect answer

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Hi Pierre:

Here is the dialog box @Bob_Niland is referencing.

Yours is set to Start Over on Each Page—there are two other options.

First footnote: 1 will start over with 1 in each document and increment across the file.
Continue Numbering from Previous Footnote in Book will start with 1 in the first chapter, and increment across the book.

You can set this in each file individually, or select files in the book window, Right click > Numbering > Footnote and set the numbering for the entire book at one time.

~Barb

~Barb at Rocky Mountain Training

Barb Binder

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We are always happy to help, Pierre.

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pierret18811376Author

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Hi Barb, Hi Bob,

You are right, I was with this setting (start over on each page) :

And I have chosen this setting (continue numbering from previous footnote), and it works :

Thank you to all.

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Barb Binder

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Hi Pierre:

Here is the dialog box @Bob_Niland is referencing.

Yours is set to Start Over on Each Page—there are two other options.

First footnote: 1 will start over with 1 in each document and increment across the file.
Continue Numbering from Previous Footnote in Book will start with 1 in the first chapter, and increment across the book.

You can set this in each file individually, or select files in the book window, Right click > Numbering > Footnote and set the numbering for the entire book at one time.

~Barb

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pierret18811376Author

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Hi Barb,

Thank you. It works perfectly.

I have a question about the window "Format/Document/Footnotes properties" :

In this screenshot you can see the page 1 with 4 lines of text (each line has a note : 1,2,3,4) :

In note properties window, if I check only "keep footnote with reference" (without increasing the "max height per column"), I have this result : the lines 3 and 4 of the text are put on page 2 and their note number has changed :

- ligne 3 : the note number 3 is changed to note number 1 (on page 2)

- ligne 4 : the note number 4 is changed to note number 2 (on page 2)

Why does the note number is changed on page 2 (it should keep note number 3 and 4 on page 2) ?

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Bob_Niland

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What are the settings for
Format ▼ Document » Numbering… /Footnote\
in particular you might find:
⦿ Start Over on Each Page

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Barb Binder

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Hi Pierre:

Format > Document > Footnote Properties:

Increase the Max Height per Column
Enable the Keep Footnotes with Reference

~Barb

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Bob_Niland

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If endnotes are an alternative, FM has formalized the long-standing Xref way of doing those.

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K.Daube

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Bob, can you elaborate a bit on this "long-standing Xref way"? I'm not aware of any semi-automatism to create end-notes. Hence my script FMnotes.

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Bob_Niland

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KD: I'm not aware of any semi-automatism to create end-notes.

There {still} isn't, other than external scripts & tools. What I meant by "formalized" is that at some point, Adobe added "Create and maintain endnotes" to the on-line help. This was probably before 7.0, as the topic is in the manual for that release. Before that, one had to learn about that same work-around from the internet.

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frameexpert

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If there is not room on the page for the number and the footnote, then the footnote moves to the next page.

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pierret18811376Author

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What is the room ?

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Bob_Niland

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FM probably has a complex algorithm for determining where to place a footnote, and how to resolve conflicting priorities.

One of the factors is likely to include the Keeps, Widows & Orphan settings for the referencing paras. Another factor is page objects that take up significant page space (Tables, Anchored Frame content). The footnote count for the page, and size of any footnote itself is a factor.

As the world moves off print, Endnotes get more attractive (esp. in non-paginated presentations), and would be even more attractive if FM had mark-up for generating hovertips that included the whole Xref'd endnote text, in both PDF, and in HTML (as title=). The challenges don't appear to be entirely on the FM side of this.

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