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May 5, 2014
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Save As PDF bugs

  • May 5, 2014
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Hi All,

In the past, I've always printed to PS via the Distiller instance, but now we have new branding with spot colors used in the FM templates, so now Save As PDF is a must.

I am finding what I think to be a bug, because it is consistently reproducible. When I Save As PDF choosing Page Range: All, I can get all of the pages printed with spot colors and working hyperlinks, BUT the leftmost cell of the first row of every single table is empty, even though the FM screen itself displays the row's contents.

Here's the PDF outcome — please note the first body cell of the table is empty:

All tables in the document have the same issue. I tried opening other documents, they all have the same behavior. I tried importing formats from other tables, creating new table formats, etc., and the same issue persists, even when I copy-special the char formatting of a cell that does print and paste it to the non-printing cell.

Here's what the same section looks like in the FM window:

However, when I Save As PDF choosing Page Range: 1 to [last number], the contents of the first cell in the first column of the first body row of the table displays perfectly fine, but of course none of the hyperlinks work. Here's that outcome:

If that cell didn't print in any table of any output, it would likely be some kind of formatting issue, but that's not what's happening. The cell prints anytime that I do NOT Save As PDF for ALL pages (which leaves the less-than-satisfactory options of either no working hyperlinks, or pgf/char/tbl format colors generating RGB while the imported graphics on the ref pages retain a different color output that's nearer the spot color).

It's annoying to have to choose pages 1 through (whatever is last) to get all of the rows of all of the tables to properly display, but I would do that as a work around if the hyperlinks worked. However, having to choose between either getting all the tables' body rows complete, or having all the hyperlinks working, or getting both of those but no spot color (which is what happens when I print to PS, yielding inconsistent color issues) is making me choose between lose, lose, or lose.

Is there a patch or work around for this issue, or am I going to need to either convince Marketing that branding guidelines for color in their tech doc suite doesn't matter, or pay USD$2000 to get a PDF processor that links everything on the backend just to get all the content and colors right, and add the links post-PDF creation...? Perilous choices. (You can choose to lose your eye, lose your ear, or lose your arm, but you cannot keep all three. Choose. 'Tis but a flesh wound. Monty Python must have written the script.)  I'm sorry, I don't mean to sound exasperated (or exaggerated, as you wish); I have never had this kind of issue with FrameMaker before, and I did a lot of talking around here to convince them to buy the new TCS5 as the best solution for their PDF and online help deliverable needs.

Maybe I'm idealistic, but it doesn't seem too much to expect a program as mature as FM to create PDF output that supports hyperlinks, retains spot color, and actually displays all the text relatively WYSIWIG to the FM interface... Surely I'm missing something, or this is a bug with a work-around, right...?  

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

Rene

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    Arnis Gubins
    Inspiring
    May 5, 2014

    Rene,

    I've tried to duplicate your table behaviour (spot colour in heading row) and all tables are properly created (i.e. first cell text is visible) using the CMYK option with SaveAsPDF.

    Can you supply the details on the spot colour, the table design (row background colours, fonts, etc.)?

    Are you fully patched on your FM version?

    If you're creating an interactive PDF (hyperlinks and all), then there's no reason to use the CMYK option (that's meant for print only). Unless everyone has a properly colour calibrated monitor and you're using a colour managed workflow, the spot colour appearance is going to vary on the user's screens.

    Bob_Niland
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    May 5, 2014

    > ... new branding with spot colors ...

    What bears the colors (specifically is any of it text)?

    Are these library colors?

    Does color matching only matter in the print workflow?

    If not library (i.e. published Named), are they CMYK or RGB?

    What is the target color space?

    Even with arbitrary user-defined colors, you should be able to print to .ps & distill, electing "Tag All Images for Color Management".

    If some text is color, you can Tag Everything for Color Management, with some PDF size and performance penalty (plus all blacks become composite black if RGB model).

    ReneStephAuthor
    Known Participant
    May 5, 2014

    Thanks for chiming in.

    We've got Pantone 307 CVC as the spot color on H2 text and table header backgrounds, as well as several character formats (bullets, hyperlinks, etc.).

    In FM, Help > About shows version as 12.0.1.331. Is there a newer patch?

    The PDFs are multi-use, because some customers use them as print material, while others use the PDF directly in electronic format. (Audience is international: UK, EU, all over the Americas, as well as some in east Asia and Russia. Yes we have more issues to address than this, but that's another topic for another post at another forum.)

    Marketing doesn't like how green the Pantone 307 CVC renders in the PDF when we use the PS>PDF option, so that's why we started using CMYK output = Save As PDF. ("Whether it's in the PDF or printed, it's supposed to be consistent with the blue in the logo, not a teal color.")

    I wonder if the better solution might be to find an RGB visual equivalent...

    Row background colors alternate 3% and 10% every other row. I have the same results whether I use the standard Dark Gray from the FM color catalog, or Pantone 444 CVC. The only font in play is Calibri. Heading row background is Pantone 307 CVC with 10pt Calibri 100% White text for headings. Cellbody text is 9pt Calibri 100% Black text (colors from FM stock color definitions).

    I was going to upload a sample FM file, but I don't see a way to do so...?

    Rene

    Arnis Gubins
    Inspiring
    May 6, 2014

    Rene,

    You have the latest version.

    When you create the PDF using the RGB option, the colour rendering is affected by maker.ini setting for the GetLibraryColorRGBFromCMYK setting. This can be one of four values and they do affect the colour transformations. For a really detailed explanation of this see: Re: Framemaker color definitions--New also check out the INI Refrence manual at: Adobe FrameMaker 11 * Adobe® FrameMaker® 11 INI Reference

    Try changing the value for this setting to None first to see if this improves the colour. If not, then try to use the approach listed in the messge link.

    I did try to duplicate your condition using the parameters that you listed, but I just couldn't get the first cell text to disappear:

    I'll contact you via a private message about the sample file. I want to see what's going on there

    .