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_Carla_Martinek_
Participating Frequently
September 3, 2008
Question

Sort order in Paragraph Catalog inconsistent / incorrect

  • September 3, 2008
  • 6 replies
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b Problem Description:
Sort order of paragraph styles INCONSISTENT/INCORRECT when compared to standard alphabetical sort. From the Paragraph Catalog, or when I select F9, styles starting with "1a_" sort before styles starting with "1_". If a table with the style names is sorted, "1_" comes before "1a_".

This sort order worked correctly in FM7.2. In FM8.x, it started sorting incorrectly. Our template was designed based on the standard sort order for characters, which somehow changed starting in FM8.x.

b Steps to Reproduce:
Generated a list of para styles in our template, converted to table, sorted, and compared to the Paragraph Catalog.

b Actual Result:

1a_Heading1_NoTOC
b out of order

1k_Title_Kit
b out of order

1_Heading1
1_Heading1TOC
2a_Heading2_NoTOC
b out of order

2_Heading2
2_Heading2TOC
3_Heading3
4_Heading4
5_Heading_RunIn
6_Heading_Subtopic
7a_Heading_SGD_Command
b out of order

7a_Heading_SGD_CommandTOC
b out of order

7b_Heading_ZBI_CommandTOC
b out of order

7b_SGD_Cmnd_Hdg_narrowTOC
b out of order

7_Heading_ZPL_Command
7_Heading_ZPL_CommandLOP
7_Heading_ZPL_CommandTOC
8_ZPL_Function
8_ZPL_FunctionTOC

b Expected Result:
Styles should sort (and used to) as follows:
1_Heading1
1_Heading1TOC
1a_Heading1_NoTOC
1k_Title_Kit
2_Heading2
2_Heading2TOC
2a_Heading2_NoTOC
3_Heading3
4_Heading4
5_Heading_RunIn
6_Heading_Subtopic
7_Heading_ZPL_Command
7_Heading_ZPL_CommandLOP
7_Heading_ZPL_CommandTOC
7a_Heading_SGD_Command
7a_Heading_SGD_CommandTOC
7b_Heading_ZBI_CommandTOC
7b_SGD_Cmnd_Hdg_narrowTOC
8_ZPL_Function
8_ZPL_FunctionTOC
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    Zerkfitting
    Known Participant
    January 15, 2014

    I updated from 7.2 to 11 and found this problem. Based on the dates in this thread the problem was discovered some time ago and everyone has had to adapt. What an annoyance it is to have to change style names.

    Arnis Gubins
    Arnis Gubins
    Inspiring
    January 15, 2014

    There was a maker.ini entry introduced that reset the behaviour to the old style. Set SymbolSortingBeforeAlphaNumeric=On in the [Preferences] section.

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    Zerkfitting
    Known Participant
    January 15, 2014

    Thanks. That fixed it.

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    Maryann8
    Inspiring
    December 10, 2008
    I have carefully designed templates for many companies, based on the old sort order. The paragraph tag shortcuts on the keyboard are now quite convoluted, making the shortcuts nearly useless. Renaming tags and reapplying them in thousands of documents is out of the question.

    If the Adobe software engineers are actually using FrameMaker, they should see how crippling this problem is.
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    _Anthony_Owens_
    Participant
    December 10, 2008
    Thanks, Kenneth, I did not realize that. I've filed a bug report.

    We can always hope that a dedicated Adobe employee occasionally scans the user forums for ideas.
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    _Anthony_Owens_
    Participant
    December 10, 2008
    This is a serious inconvenience for long-time Frame users who have carefully designed their catalogs for efficient access using the F9 key. The confusion and the extra keystrokes introduced by this bug add up to time and money for your customers. Please restore the standard sort order as soon as you can.
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    _Kenneth_Benson_
    Participating Frequently
    December 10, 2008
    Anthony,

    This is a user-to-user forum. You're not talking to Adobe.

    Bugs should be reported at

    http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

    --
    Kenneth Benson
    Pegasus Type, Inc.
    www.pegtype.com
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    Russ Ward
    Legend
    October 1, 2008
    This is apparently a bug introduced with one of the patches. I got curious to see if it affected the element catalog as well, but I could not reproduce it at all. So then I updated to 8.0p277 (the latest I believe, I think I was using the original release beforehand) and now the sort is incorrect as you describe. It is also incorrect with the element catalog, so it is probably a very small problem in a fundamental place that affects a lot of things.

    It would seem that your only option is to uninstall FM and reinstall without applying patches, pending another patch from Adobe.

    Russ
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    _Donna_L__Jones_
    Participant
    September 30, 2008
    I have the same problem. I've lost track now of the number of times where I've assigned the wrong paragraph style to something since switching to FM8. The styles are no longer in the same order, so my level 1 heading is no longer the first tag that comes up when I press F9. Now I have to dig for it through other tags that start with the number 1 in our catalog.

    Our paragraph tags were developed years ago, and it wasn't until FM8 that there was a problem with the sort order. The characters no longer sort the same as Windows sorts. An underscore is supposed to come before all letters and numbers. Adobe, please fix this annoying bug!!!

    Donna Jones
    Mikado, Michigan
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