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Tina-Louise.Allaire
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February 8, 2023
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Symbols inserted in documents are changing position

  • February 8, 2023
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Hi,

I am working on documents that have Symbol Table Body content, and I have added symbols approriate to the information. The issue is that when I save the book as PDF and open it, the symbols have moved from where I placed them. This is not happening at every instance.

How do I get the symbols to stay attached to the Symbol Table Body sections?

Please find two screenshots attached that show this issue.

Thank you for any help.

Cheers,

Elizabeth 

 

 

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mk-willCommunity Expert
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February 9, 2023

Hi, Elizabeth ( @Tina-Louise.Allaire ),

if I remember correctly you had many questions about FrameMaker basics.

So I am assuming you are new to FrameMaker (I did not read all of your posts).

 

We all are happy to help with answering your questions but I believe it would be very helpful for you and your work doing a FrameMaker training where all the basics and especially the concept of working with the FrameMaker toolset is teached.

 

Regards

Stephan

    Barb Binder
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    Barb BinderCommunity Expert
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    February 9, 2023

    Hi Elizabeth:

     

    Both Winfried and Bob guessed correctly... you need to anchor your frames to the content, so that they will move with the edits. Yours appear to be anchored to the pages. See https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/using-framemaker/user-guide/topic_graphics-anchored-frames.html#topic_graphics-anchored-frames.

     

    For example:

     

    ~Barb

    ~Barb at Rocky Mountain Training
      Bob_Niland
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      Bob_NilandCommunity Expert
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      February 8, 2023

      The FM screenshots would be dramatically more useful if Borders and Text Symbols were enabled. Without that, readers here are just guessing.

      Sidehead-like icons can be done a number of ways (including as sidehead), and keeping them with their narratives is usually not a big problem.

      I usually do them as borderless Tables.

      In this case, one explanation is that the original author just dropped the icons on the page, linked in no manner to the Flow A text.

        Barb Binder
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        Barb BinderCommunity Expert
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        February 8, 2023

        Hi Elizabeth:

         

        I do not all understand the situation at hand. I don't see any tables (View > Borders in FrameMaker) and these are two separate images, not a before/after.

         

        Additionally, how exactly are you creating the PDF?

         

        ~Barb

        ~Barb at Rocky Mountain Training
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        Tina-Louise.AllaireAuthor
        Inspiring
        February 9, 2023

        Hi Barb,

         

        This document was one I inherited and as such am trying to make updates. The original text that has the Symbol Table Body text and associated symbols appeared in a PDF correctly. Because I have been updating the content, and adding text, the symbol table body and symbols associated with that no longer appeared as they were. I have been trying to make that text appear as it was and that's where this issue started.

        The process I've been using is to select the text and apply the symbol table body to it and then copy a symbol and paste it beside that text. The description at the bottom lower left side shows Flow A Symbol Table Body and has an asterisk before the word Symbol. 

        If there's a better way to do this that will keep the text and symbols in place, please let me know.     

        I'm adding two more screens that may shed some light on this issue. 

         

        Thank you.

        Cheers,

        Elizabeth 

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        Winfried RengCommunity Expert
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        February 9, 2023

        Hi Elizabeth,

         

        When I see your screenshots, then it seems that a symbol and the text is in a table with two columns and one row.

        A table is an object which is anchored with a small anchor in the text flow. When text before the table is added, then the whole table Oin your case with the icon and the text) moves down.

        I recommend to copy such a table (triple click in a table to select it; then copy it with CTRL+c) and paste it elsewhere. Best is to have an empty paragraph only for this table anchor. Then replace the icon and the text. Click the icon and replace it with the object properties panel. A graphics file is anchored in text with an anchored frame. To adjust the size of an anchored frame press CTRL m p. The anchored frame panel is in the Insert menu. In this panel there are more options.

        Everything (tables, graphics, anchored frames, shortcuts) is described in the online help. And I am sure that there are also tutorials e.g. on Barb's website. I also started (30 years ago) with the online help. Or take a training as Stephan suggested.

         

        Best regards

         

        Winfried

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          Winfried RengCommunity Expert
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          February 8, 2023

          Hi,

           

          Admittedly for me it's not clear what you do.

          So you have tables which should have an icon, which you call symbol table.

          And then you have icons. Are these in a sidehead area? Anchored frames?

          Or in a table cell without ruling?

          Why are there several icons in your screenshot?

          Can you explain in more detail what you do?

          And you should always show text symbols and borders! Then it's easier to see what is happening!

           

          Best regards

           

          Winfried

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