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James Gifford—NitroPress
Legend
July 28, 2006
Question

Text missing from PDF

  • July 28, 2006
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I am a long-time and very experienced user of FrameMaker, Acrobat, and all associated tools. My XP-SP2 system is thoroughly debugged and fully updated.

When I create PDFs in Frame, sections of the text come up missing. The document remains correctly formatted and organized - there are simply missing sentences, paragraphs, etc. in no discernible pattern. I have tried every fix I can think of and all those I have found by searching online - to no avail.

These documents are created from scratch in Frame 7.2p158; I have updated the installation at least once without solving the problem. The PDFs are being created by every known process: print to Distiller (7.0) within Frame; Save As PDF; print to generic PostScript and pass to Distiller. The missing text remains consistent within all processes.

The fonts involved range from junk of unknown origin to (most of my fonts) true Adobe Postscript. Changing fonts does not cure the problem, although it sometimes changes which parts disappear. There is no particularly complex formatting involved (no equations, no unusual character overrides). These documents are mostly contracts and other simple but rigidly formatted documents. None involve imported graphics.

I have tried all variations of saving to MIF and RTF and re-importing. This sometimes changes the faults, but does not cure them.

This problem occurs ONLY with FrameMaker. I can export perfect PDFs, some from very complex source documents, from Word, InDesign, CorelDRAW and a dozen other tools, using any fonts on my system.

(I am dismayed at how hard Adobe support has gotten to use - as the owner of nine of their most expensive apps, I should be able to get better online support without calling in and begging permission!)

If anyone can point me to a known bug, a known fix, or a good starting point for unraveling this problem - or confirm that they've seen a similar error - I would appreciate it!
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102 replies

Participating Frequently
September 7, 2006
Well, I guess I'm not without chances ... but a Bronze Star with silver tips is nice anyway ;-)

I know that someone at Adobe cares already. It seems still a little bit difficult (but not impossible) to intentionally cause this bug, but I will be the squeaky wheel until I get my grease... and the Gold Star ;-)

Bernd
James Gifford—NitroPress
Legend
September 7, 2006
Silver Star: Get Adobe to admit the problem and issue a formal workaround, preferably one that lets users keep their CJK fonts.

Gold Star: Get Adobe to FIX the freakin' problem!

But I'll concede that your star deserves silver tips, at least. :)
Participating Frequently
September 7, 2006
NitroPress,

I'm glad it works for you, too. One more voice confirming the right direction.

Thanks for the Bronze Star... but now I don't want to imagine what I had to do for the golden one ;-)

Bernd
James Gifford—NitroPress
Legend
September 7, 2006
Bernd, you are in no way getting on my nerves, and after finally following up on your suggestions, I think we need to award you at least the Bronze Star in Adobe Combat for your services. :)

First, my FNTCACHE.DAT file was 2767k. I deleted it.

Then I opened my font list and searched out all the CJK fonts, and deleted them - I don't have any use for them except perhaps in viewing some PDF documents that are partially in Asian characters. Those who need them will have to find other workarounds, but deleting them was a perfectly acceptable alternative for me.

(A hunting tip: open your font list, set it to Details and sort by file size. There are one or two very complex fonts that have file sizes around 9-15 megs, but the next block down, with file sizes between about 2200 and 3200 KB, were ALL CJK fonts on my system. Most Western fonts are 8-900k and down.)

Deleted FNTCACHE, deleted the CJK fonts, rebooted, tested my most problematic documents... perfect PDF rendering. My FNTCACHE is now 792k, and I think you have precisely nailed the cause of the problem. I concur that something about the bloated size of FNTCACHE.DAT, caused by the recent prevalence of CJK fonts on systems that never intentionally installed them, is the root cause of the problem.

Congrats on some excellent e-detective work, and thanks!
Participating Frequently
September 7, 2006
OK, guys, I know I probably go on your nerves meanwhile, but there are some more things to check. My latest tests have shown, that it's most likely NOT a specific CJK font, but the SIZE of the FNTCACHE.DAT file. This one increases very fast by adding CJK fonts, which led to my (probably) false assumption, that the fonts themselves cause the problems.

My large collection of FNCACHE.DAT files shows an interesting fact: All working versions are below 1.5 MB, all non-working versions are above this size, up to 3-4 MB.

So if you want, tell me the size of your FNTCACHE.DAT files, and if you currently encounter the bug or not. I still hope to get a clear picture... and a fix in the end :-)

Thanks,
Bernd
Participating Frequently
September 6, 2006
Some time ago in this thread, I asked to get (an URL to) a sample file that shows this error (the .ps or .tps file before distilling, of course), because I'd like to verify or falsify my suspicion on this issue. Please!

Helge
Participating Frequently
September 6, 2006
Tom,

maybe we will get a step further this time. Although I can't tell at the moment, in which way CJK fonts are involved, and why some work, some don't, there is one thing that was confirmed by several users now: the FNTCACHE.DAT is definitely part of the problem.

On my system I can 'switch' the problem on and off by installing/uninstalling one of the following fonts (list not complete yet):

- A-OTF-ShinGoPro-*.otf
- DFPSongStd-W*.otf
- HeiseiKakuGoStd-W*.otf
- KozGoPro-*.otf
- KozGoStd-*.otf
- KozMinPro-*.otf
- KozMinStd-*.otf

The fact that either deleting the FNTCACHE.DAT (temporarily) or removing the CJK fonts (permanently) fixes PDF output has been confirmed by several users now (also outside of this forum).

Bernd
Participating Frequently
September 5, 2006
Just throwing some more data into the mix in case it helps anyone's troubleshooting. We saw this a couple of years ago, mostly in documents that:
1. were FM7.0, not FM6 (problem appeared when we upgraded) and
2. had Illustrator EPS diagrams and
3. the diagrams included text in the Myriad font (which was embedded) and
4. Myriad wasn't installed on the PC that made the diagram or the PDF.

OS was Win2K. Illustrator could find Myriad because it was in the Illustrator font folder. The diagrams looked okay in the PDFs, but some of the following pages were missing text.

Installing Myriad on our PCs fixed it, mostly. Dropping the resolution to 300dpi fixed it permanently.

Cheers, Rebecca
Inspiring
September 5, 2006
Tom,
Did you try the work-around? Deleting FNTCACHE.DAT and rebooting?

And Berndt, I don't think I have CJK on one system; will check the other tomorrow.

Art
Participant
September 5, 2006
My company has been seeing this issue for about a year now. Nothing seems to fix it. We have tested every solution anyone can suggest. The biggest difficulty is that it is not consistent. So anytime someone tries something new, it *may* work, then they think what they did was the solution. Sooner or later you see another bad PDF, and try another solution.

I spent a lot of time with Adobe Technical Support, and they couldn't reproduce the problem (again, as it is not consistent). After months of back and forth, I let the issue drop as we were not getting anywhere. But now, it is causing so many problems that I will need to restart those talks.

Same version of Frame listed above, plus the versions 7.1 and 7.0. Adobe Acrobat 6 and 7. Windows XP. Large and small PDFs. Even saw this happen in InDesign just the other day.