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Widow/orphan problems in FM10

Forum|Forum|13 years ago
September 13, 2012
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I've just upgraded a number of documents from FM8 to FM10.

My body paragraph style has the following paginationsettings:

Start: Anywhere
Keep with Next and Previous: Not selected
Widow/Orphan Lines: 2

In FM8, these settings work as expected - there are a minimum of two lines of text if a paragraph breaks across a page boundary. A three-line paragaph is never broken. This behavior is the same in FM9.

In FM10, I get single-line widows - a single line appearing at the top of a page. I have experimented and do not get single-line orphans - a single line at the bottom of a page.

This behavior is not what I want - it changes my pagination and looks ugly.

If I start a new paragraph after the widowed line, a second line pops up from the body paragraph on the previous page, which is the appearance I want. However, if I save and re-open the document, the second line has gone back to the previous page.

I've tried using a clean template file, in case there was some invisible garbage in my document, but that made no difference.

Has anyone else seen this behavior?

If so, were you able to fix it?

Thanks for your help.

Jane

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Arnis Gubins

Inspiring

I just tested this on FM10.0.2 and it seems that something is acting up with inital widow/orphan settings. Try globally changing the w/o to 1 and then back to 2.

In my test case, with the inital w/o 2 setting, the split for a three-line paragraph occurred. But when I toggled between the settings and when it went back to 2, then the three-liners stayed together as expected. Very odd behaviour.

Z

Zane_JaneAuthor

Participating Frequently

Thanks for your suggestion. So plausible... But on my system, this was just another mirage.

I saved and closed the file and then re-opened it. That single line at the top of the page was right back there.

Try re-opening your fixed file - do you see the same thing?

The weird thing is that I was testing out a different file from the one I first tested and couldn't reproduce the w/o behavior at all. The page size and some of the paragraph styles are subtly different from the multiple other files in which I can reproduce the problem, but I can't change the templates for the doc set I'm having the trouble with. At least, not the page size and the fonts, which are where the differences lie.

Arnis Gubins

Inspiring

I just tried recreating the same scenario in the test document in order to try the save, but the w/o behaviour is now as expected. I couldn't even get the same split that I got last night in the exact same paragraph. Something really odd is going on with this.

Have you rebooted your system in the meantime? Have you tried a MIF-wash on your documents? Can you recreate this behaviour in a test document using dummy text (like Lorem ipsum)?

Bob_Niland

Community Expert

What are the Keep With properties of the next paragraph?

A Keep With Previous is usually what causes the problem for me.

And make sure there are no hidden paras or conditionals between the widow and what you think is the next para.

Z

Zane_JaneAuthor

Participating Frequently

Good suggestions, but neither of those is the problem.

I should have said that the next paragraphs can be of the same body type as the one having the widow problem. So no Keep With properties set on the following paragraph either. And whatever those properties are, I think I shouldn't see a change between FM9 and FM10 and I should never see a single widow line at the top of a page.

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