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November 14, 2022
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Adding white and primer underlayer on illustrator and export to pdf

  • November 14, 2022
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Here we work with colored substrates on which we print a primer, white and afterwards CMYK.

White and primer are installed as spotcolors.

 

I get the customer images as a PDF which is usually made in illustrator, but in most cases these do not contain the spotcolors.

In that case I add a white square square and a primer square behind the image and use overprint fill.

I select overprint for the PDF parts, but doesn't produce the desired result.

 

For instance I have a file, with pink text on a black background, on which below needs to have at least a primer underlayer and a white layer below the pink text. But If I use overprint, I won't get the pink-on white but a pink on black/white or pink without any white/primer below.

 

I don't want to edit the customers files, but I don't  know how to do it in a way that I am ensured of the white and primer underlayer. Do you have any suggestions how I can acheive this?

 

 

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Participating Frequently
November 25, 2022

We checked with the supplier from the RIP software and decided to solve this by treating the primer/white as full coverage layer instead of assigning it as spot color. The rip software reduces this to the actual printing area. In allmost all cases the primer and white need to cover the whole surface, which is clipped to the actual printed area by the rip software.

 

So no longer the need to solve this in the PDF / Illustrator file itself

Ton Frederiks
Community Expert
Community Expert
November 25, 2022

That looks like the easiest way to solve your problem.

Monika Gause
Community Expert
Community Expert
November 14, 2022

How about preparing some exapmle files instead of describing this? Upload this as a package to Dropbox or the like with some clear instrauctions of what is to be aachieved.

 

That way nobody has to guess about it and doesnÄt have to build this themselves.

Participating Frequently
November 14, 2022

This files I have are IP of the customer, which I cannot share.

I will try to create some test file that might work

Ton Frederiks
Community Expert
Community Expert
November 14, 2022

I hope I understand what you want, CMYK and 2 spots that get not erased by the CMYK plates when separated?

 

Place the customer PDF linked in an Illustrator CMYK document.

Select the PDF and use Darken blend mode in the Transparency panel.

I would create 2 white spot colors and give them names like primer and whitespot.

Fill 2 squares set them to overprint and put them below the linked PDF.

Participating Frequently
November 14, 2022

Hi Ton,

 

I tried to do this and in first test it seems to work. White and primer are printed and the letters are visible.

I will do more test to see if it solves all the issues

 

Thank you very much

Ton Frederiks
Community Expert
Community Expert
November 14, 2022

Good to hear that may work, let us know how your other tests go.

Met1
Legend
November 14, 2022

Yep, you have to isolate all the individual colors so that no color is overprinting another.

Do a save as on supplied art, then select all → pathfinder→divide then trim then merge.

Then select all, overprint, and place in your primer and white.

Note this only works for pure vector, if you have any transparency or any pixel art, you need to isolate those parts and work on the overprint separately.

Participating Frequently
November 14, 2022

I tried this, but the spotcolors (primer/white ) were not printed below the image.

And for one reason or the other, I lost allmost all the text that was present.

Legend
November 14, 2022

When I have to do a white underprint, I put the white ink spot color on a layer above the art, and set the white ink art to overprint. I then include a note to the printer that the white is to be under the other colors. 

Layer position of the spot color on the art does not have to correspond to ink order on the press. 

Mylenium
Legend
November 14, 2022

A screenshot, even a cropped one only showing a small corner of the problem along with the opened layer stack would do miracles. On a hunch I'd say itr is merely a matter of isolating the group via the transparency options or separations, but it's really hard to tell and my brain just melts imagining it.

 

Mylenium