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January 22, 2023
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Font Size appears to be awry.

  • January 22, 2023
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Hello, I'm trying to create some large letters/numbers that will eventually be turned into .nc files for cutting. These are for a shop-fron sign.
The font size appears to be off by quite a bit from my understanding, and was wondering where I'm going wrong.
Example : I have a "2" that is 156 tall, which is 6.15".  At 72pt per inch, that should be 442.8 (443) pt.
Now I need to make a "4", so I put a text object "4" on the design and change its pt size to 443, the result is a character height that is abosulutely nowhere near, probabaly just over half of what it should be.
By trial and error, I've got the "4" to the correct height, needing it set to 682 pt.

I don't understand what is happening, can anyone help?


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Community Expert
January 23, 2023

I work in the sign industry and some of the stuff I create gets sent to routing tables (in the form of G-Code). By the time the graphics get to that stage the fonts are no longer "live" but just raw vector outlines. I typically set the size of my lettering in inches and using the cap letter height for the size reference. Units based in Points and invisible Em squares are fine for grid-based layouts on printed paper. It doesn't work so well in sign design. The cap letter height, baseline and distance down to the next cap letter height line is easier to define since those boundaries are physically visible to fabricators.

If you size letters using the cap height options and are able to use inches as the unit of measure the letters should end up in your cutting software without any scaling issues.

Jacob Bugge
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January 22, 2023

Dave,

 

As I (mis)understand it, how about your using one of the following ways depending on version and/or preferred way of doing things?

 

1) Draw a nostroke/nofill bounding rectangle, see here,

https://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/using/snap-to-glyph.html

look for"/Glyph Bounds): Snaps to top, bottom, left, and right bounds of glyph."

then scale proportionately as desired by inserting desired H value in the Transform panel with Ctrl/Cmd+Enter (live Type);

 

2) Tick Use Preview Bounds in the preferences, then Effect>Path>Outline Object, then  scale proportionately as desired by inserting desired H value in the Transform panel with Ctrl/Cmd+Enter (live Type);

 

3) Type>Create Outlines, then  scale proportionately as desired by inserting desired H value in the Transform panel with Ctrl/Cmd+Enter (outlined Type).

 

Monika Gause
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January 22, 2023

Do you have documentation for the NC machine? What does it tell you about scaling? Or about interpretation of the files you feed it?

Legend
January 22, 2023

Are you just assuming that 72 point type will have each character 72 point/1 inch high? That's just not the case. To see simply why it can't be, think about the word "dog". Clearly there are three different heights here - and none of them will be 72 points. 

Participating Frequently
January 22, 2023

That is the whole point - I do NOT know the font sizes, I can only proceed by actually physically measuring Upper and Lower-case letters within the same piece of text. I know there are 3 different font sizes, but don't know what they are.
The letters are to replace ones that have fallen off, (or been stolen) the signage outside of a bar.
First off, the telephone number is missing a "4", but there is another "4" I have measured - 156mm
Secondly, there's a "s" missing in the bar's description, and yet again there's another "s" I can measure.
Thirdly, I also need a "b" for the bar's description, same font size as the "s", but there's also another "b" I can measure. I will set font sizes as appropriate to produce same-size (unscaled) printout.
I don't see any other way I can repeat the sizes we already have, without knowiing the font sizes, and of course the company that made the letters could have scaled up or down - we have know way of knowing.

Ton Frederiks
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January 22, 2023
Participating Frequently
January 22, 2023

I'll certainly take a look when I have the time, thanks Ton ...

Lukas Engqvist
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January 22, 2023

You can set the units you want in illustrator, and even if the units is in points you can type "4" " if you want 4 inches. What can be confusing about type is how type is measured... but even here Illustrator has now the options to set the type from Cap height or X-height.
I think this video will be of help to show how https://youtu.be/M6ThX-aN9R4 (at 1:50 shows flyout menu, but look at the whole video to better understand why)

Participating Frequently
January 22, 2023

Great video, thanks Lukas - I'll give it a go ....
Right now I'm busy adding hard limits to my CNC machine, I keep jogging it beyond it's physical travel, lol

Lukas Engqvist
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January 24, 2023

Yes soon you'll be getting limit switches and start tinkering with the hardware 😉

Ton Frederiks
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January 22, 2023

Did you check in Preferences > General > Display Print Size at 100% Zoom?

Participating Frequently
January 22, 2023

Just checked that, yes it is.

 

Participating Frequently
January 22, 2023

I perhaps should have mentioned that I'm determining the final vharacter height by printing the "4" to my laser printer, with no scaling, and it certainly mirros what I see on the design screen ....

Lukas Engqvist
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January 22, 2023

Is your laser printer and .nc cutting at same size? If you make a rectangle of known size will it be the right size in nc file? You can make a rectangle the size you want and make the text so that it matches the rectangle and ignore the "font size".

 

( In breif the font size is from what size the block containing ascenders and decenders would need to be... but even this is not allways true, since the font designer can make the letters smaller or larger than that box.)